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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This happened years ago, Jason, Joe and
Ryan were up here flying a local contest. Jason decided to try his hand at FAI
in front of a set of judges. He asked and received permission to do a practice
flight in front of said FAI judges. A few of us (My self included) sat back and
watched his flight. We went through each maneuver and talking to each other as
the flight went along about what was right and wrong and the score for each maneuver.
Mind you we were 40’ away from the judges. When Jason landed you could
tell he was a bit miffed (more like pissed). Seems our talking to each other
could be heard by him and the judges (Confirmed by the judges). I had no idea
he could hear us and I apologized to Jason and the judge’s and never did
that at a contest again. BTW IIRC He would have won that round. </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Woodward, Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 2:08
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I heard a story from this years nats where
one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a less-than-perfect
maneuver, and another pilot who was also in contention (and watching) yelled
out an inappropriate remark. I think that audience input or influence is
something we should steer away from for precision aerobatics. We
certainly do not need it to be quiet like for golf, but direct statements meant
to be heard by the judges are not good.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Although slightly off topic – what I
do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for every pilot (I
think this is done for the WC). I think this would provide the following
opportunities:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
availability of the raw scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE
judges training tool. Seasoned and new competitor alike could watch
flights together, make comments and discuss, then go back later and see if
what they thought they saw was in line with the scores for that
flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to facilitate judging
training (.. ideas welcome).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Posting
of raw scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how
they performed compared to their judging partners. There is all
kinds of good value that could come from this. Whether noted
privately or discussed between each other, it is good from time to time to
check yourself.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Posting
of raw scores would help keep the honest man honest. By posting raw
scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias any way you cut
it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or
other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the person knew ahead of
time that the judges scores would be posted.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>And
most importantly, increased “transparency” in the system helps
the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the contest,
scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to
be. I believe that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a
contest and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand.
Transparency is the key to this. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>OK
– last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic
of much discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you
haven’t heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the
open this topic which everyone is already discussing. This would do
a lot to remove ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all
of our districts have. Transparency is good </span></font><font
size=2 face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I write none of this from the sour-grapes
perspective. I love this stuff. I think the potential benefits from
posting the raws would out weight the potential bad, provide more transparency
for the competitor and also provide judges training.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</st1:PersonName>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Probably the best reason not to have
it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot screws-up and
you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now just imagine the
uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver that they are doing all wrong!
Total Chaos!</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
www.jasonshulman.com<br>
www.shulmanaviation.com<br>
www.composite-arf.com</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></font></b><st1:PersonName u2:st="on"><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Derek Koopowitz</span></font></st1:PersonName><u1:p></u1:p><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>can you just imagine all the "oohhhss
and aahhhs" from the spectators. :)<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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