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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I was
competing in Sportsman at the time and it was a LOT of fun. This was
pre-turnaround style now referred to as Ballistic Pattern. Two things changed.
1988 brought in Expert Turnaround, which I moved to, and Normalized scoring in
all classes, at least at the NATS. The august 1988 K-Factor lists 64 Sportsman,
36 Advanced, 29 Expert, 21 Masters and 53 FAI with 10 contestant finals in both
Masters and FAI. The 1992 rulebook brought in turnaround schedules in all
classed with box exits in Sportsman similar to the present. As for what happened,
I can only offer a single opinion from a limited regional perspective. We were
for the most part modelers and Pattern was the top RC aerobatic competitive AMA
event. Many of us were recreational competitors and a weekend out of town was
an enjoyable social activity with many competitors staying at the same motel and
we thoroughly enjoyed dinner and drinks Saturday evening. Traveling to a
contest with 6 or 8 local fliers was like a rolling circus with a $200 price
tag (now it is around $300, for me). <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As we all
got older many moved or were unable to continue for a variety of reasons. The
real problem was in failing to replace lower level competitors as we progressed
to higher classes where many still compete regularly (large Masters class). Turnaround
was very difficult to start into without having already developed the skills
necessary to fly many of the individual maneuvers. Us old guys grandfathered
into turnaround and all we needed to do was reposition some of the maneuver to
the box boundary. I saw this same problem in IMAC locally with many interested
people some of which may have traveled to compete. It takes a fair commitment
to learn to fly turnaround from scratch. You might look at it as the difference
between flying a list of maneuvers (old AMA) to flying a single complete flight
plan (turnaround) from takeoff through landing requiring on-the-fly positioning
and heading maintenance, in the wind even. It takes more than a couple years
for most of us to get comfortable with this unceasing load on our central processor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am
losing my train of thought. I need to end this and of course pattern needs to
be sold one on one locally, continuously.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>george w. kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 23, 2007
6:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
[Fwd: Proposal]</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>That ' 87 listing
was interesting to me in light of the class number reversal seen by the huge
Sportsman class relative the Expert numbers. There must be a lesson in there
somewhere. Is the reversal the result of forced advancement???</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think there were
a total of 141 pilots and did that exclude FAI ??? Where did we go wrong, or
did we even ???????</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Interesting stuff
!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>G.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday,
August 23, 2007 5:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The option system I
proposed addresses this. The only requirement when you point out is that you <u>try
</u>the next class. This could be for a year, two contests, whatever we decide
to propose. If it's too intense/difficult/time consuming in the next
class, drop back. I find it unlikely that this would be abused and peer
pressure should take care of any that are purely camped for trophies.<br>
I see absolutely no reason not to include Masters in this advancement/option
scheme. Come on guys, try F3A, you might actually like it.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Period.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than just the top<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>guys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Why?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Because they can camp there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are serious enough, or have time enough,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>or talent enough to have fun at that level.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Most can win a round here and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Those that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>have a little less time, a little less talent, etc.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They have fun until<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they really<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>don't belong and they quit.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Can't move back, and don't have fun bringing up<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the bottom ALWAYS in masters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay there happily<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>until pattern retirement.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They'd win some, lose some, watch others pass<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Etc etc etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We've beat this to death.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Unfortunately someone out there is scared of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable hardware in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a lower class because they suck to much to beat them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>THAT person is the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>one we should not be catering too...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, <a
href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">"seefo@san.rr.com"</a> <a
href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><seefo@san.rr.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>What exactly is a casual competitor?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have other<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't practice every<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do put in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top of their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>fact. At that point they have 3 choices.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE unforgiving<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>of excuses.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Del K. Rykert" <a
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><drykert2@rochester.rr.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: NSRCA Mailing List <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>help at fielding contests.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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