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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>What got me hooked was watching
a local practice in the olden days do a slow roll 5 foot off the deck for 6
secs. Said to self... Hmm that looks impressive, Wonder if I could
learn to do that. This was done right over the middle of the runway though.
Those days are long gone. Sorry to say but the way we fly today wouldn't have
planted the hook for me. I flew full scale at the time and didn't see any
interest until seeing something I couldn't do with my private ship. Had been
flying R/C for at least 8 years at that time.</FONT> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <EM><FONT color=#800000>
Del</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mjfrederick@cox.net href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew
Frederick</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If it wasn't for my dad, I never would have
thought of flying pattern... to him, it was the only option!</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:32
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV> Pattern breeds pattern!!!! I like that. And parents of
pattern flyers breed new pattern flyers. How many in pattern today were
introduced to RC and pattern by a father? I was. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Mike
Hester <<A
href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">kerlock@comcast.net</A>></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Been saying this forever, but sometimes
it falls on deaf ears........ "pattern breeds pattern".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if there are no pattern flyers at your club,
then fly pattern. No, most won't be interested at first, but give them
time....ONE will decide to give it a shot. may take a few months, may take
a few years. But once you get 2, it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key
is being there and flying it and NEVER speaking badly about it. you have
to "sell" the idea that it's fun, challenging, and they can DO
IT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's face it, in a club with 100 members,
MAYBE 5 will ever be interested in pursuing pattern. The time, money,
discipline, etc that it takes to actively compete is a level of
participation and dedication that most people do not have, and that's
not a bad thing....toy planes. But we have to make sure we reach
those 5 and don't do anything stupid to burn them before they get hooked.
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH.
He was flying a 60-90 sized plane and whipping 2 meters on a national
level. Your average guy is going to see that and say "I could never do
that". But 5% are going to say "I WANT to do that". Find em.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=wilsorc@gmail.com href="mailto:wilsorc@gmail.com">Bob
Wilson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2007
9:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sinking ship Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Insights from a long time RC flyer who has just
joined NSRCA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Most RC pilots don't understand pattern and don't
want to look bad.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It's easy
to flippity-flop all over the sky, but disciplined flying is tough.
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one has ever required
them to fly a straight line parallel to the runway.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Anything other than a loop or
roll is alien.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Humpty's,
Top-Hats, Figure M, Cobra…you might as well talk Swahili.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If NSRCA is going to address
falling membership they need to educate the RC community at the ground
level. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At the Peoria RC
Modelers we are trying hard to promote pattern.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most exciting, however, is a
young man from China (Jack Li) who joined our club. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Jack is 16 and practiced pattern
in China.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This year he
competed in "Intermediate" at Hoffman Estates and won first place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His subsequent visit to the
NATS resulted in an Intermediate 2<SUP>nd</SUP> place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Next year he will be competing
at the "Masters" level.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our
club is taking a new look at Pattern and beginning to wake up.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A recent club "Mini Pattern"
event had 10 competitors.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Hopefully, we will build on this and get more people into serious
competition, but we really feel that education and emphasis on the
Sportsman sequence is the key to bringing in new blood. </FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Bob Wilson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">VP</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Peoria RC Modelers</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/22/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>John
Gayer</B> <<A
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Del,<BR><BR>Having sold
advertising(a lot) when I ran a radio station, I can tell you that the
customers need to be constantly resold on a product that is clearly in
their best interests. <BR>This also means selling on the basis that
the advertising works, not as charity support for the NSRCA. Feedback
to the advertisers is also key to keeping an advertiser on-board. We
as members need find a way to mention the K-Factor whenever you buy
something and to make sure that you know who is currrently
advertising. <BR><BR>John<BR><BR>Del K. Rykert wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>I suspect is mostly
because of lack of support or don't have the resources/time or
health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a change in
the numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the officers
and leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the perception
of a known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are
making changes and things will improve. That was years
ago.. How many more years will it take? I still see a
continuing decline with some insisting it is only a local thing
thinking as their area/district is growing so therefore no problem.
</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>If I don't see a change to the
positive I have to assume the efforts on everyone's part hasn't
truly addressed the issues. I fully realize all about "<EM><FONT
color=#800000> assuming</FONT></EM>". So if the true goal is
to draw new blood and grow the ranks then the efforts have to
be shifted to focus the few resources the organization does have to
focus more efforts to draw the new blood. If the advertisers
were truly onboard they would be there year after year.. Not
need further enticements to return to placing an ad.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><U>None of my comments are meant to
infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't been commendable in
their efforts to address the problem. The results are what
I still feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential
wannabes. If no wannabe exist then we are left with what we have.
</U></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT><FONT color=#800000><EM>
Del </EM></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=patternrules@yahoo.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Steven
Maxwell</A> </DIV>
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<DIV
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
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<DIV> Have to agree with John and Mike on this, this
adminstation has only been in office a few months and nothing
happens over night.</DIV>
<DIV> The other thing I always see is people with ideas but
never see there name on a ballet if people are really want to make
a difference and they have all the better ways why do we see
unopposed ballets.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>mike mueller <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com"
target=_blank><mups1953@yahoo.com></A></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV> Very well stated JLK. I have been in pattern for a
very longtime and I can tell you that the leaders we have
right now are taking us in a positive direction. I have a lot of
faith in them. It will take some patience but I think there are
a lot of positive things in place. </DIV>
<DIV> This forum is an open discussion of ideas and
thoughts some are agreeable some are not. Either way its it
important that everyone be heard. If there's a new concept that
has merit then in time the group will adopt it. </DIV>
<DIV> The biggest problem that I see with our sport is the
lack of younger people getting in. We need new blood
ASAP.
Mike<BR><BR><B><I>John Konneker <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com"
target=_blank><jlkonn@hotmail.com></A></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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I may.<BR>As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the
K-Factor.<BR>It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on
board to make the K-Factor self <BR>supporting.<BR>I believe
that goal is achievable.<BR>I just prepared the invoicing for
the July issue and total billings, month <BR>to month, are
increasing.<BR>We have a great bunch of advertisers already
that have been very supportive <BR>of the NSRCA.<BR>Please
support them whenever you can.<BR>I contact potential
advertisers all the time.<BR>If you have any you'd like to
suggest please let me know.<BR>If you have personal contact
with any and think you can get them interested, <BR>by all
means talk to them.<BR>Ron Davies is doing a great job as
treasurer and reports on the NSRCA <BR>finances every month in
his K-Factor column.<BR>Through these reports you can see it's
not just members dues that generate <BR>the operating income
of the NSRCA.<BR>As an aside I flew the Nats this
year.<BR>Derek invited me to the NSRCA board meeting held on
Tuesday night.<BR>I had been out of RC since the late '80s and
only started pattern again last <BR>year.<BR>I can't tell you
how impressed I was with the officers.<BR>Everyone, without
exception, has the advancement of pattern in their
hearts.<BR>Everyone, without exception, was positive in their
attitude.<BR>There were no hidden agendas. <BR>No "us" vs
"them".<BR>>From Derek on down we have a great
bunch!<BR>JLK<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Del K. Rykert"
<BR>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>To: "NSRCA
Mailing List" <BR>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship
Syndrome? Please <BR>>review'NSRCAMembers'<BR>>Date:
Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54 -0400<BR>><BR>>I truly hear
you message loud and clear John. Do you have any further
<BR>>suggestions, as many don't want to look at some of the
changes that have <BR>>been proposed? I know it has been
discussed on the list to degree of <BR>>making some just
deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't
<BR>>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister
to assume they want <BR>>to see the NSRCA fail. I
hope.<BR>><BR>> Del<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: John Gayer<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM<BR>>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Please review
'NSRCAMembers'<BR>><BR>><BR>> The attached Chart is
based on numbers on the NSRCA website and the
<BR>>treasurer's report in the latest K-Factor. If the
membership continues to <BR>>reject any thoughts or
proposals that might help, I see this downward slide <BR>>
continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to
afford <BR>>producing the K-Factor which is about the only
reason to stay on. <BR>><BR>> I tried to post this
several days ago with an inline chart but the size <BR>>was
4K oversize for the list parameters. It's been awaiting
approval of the <BR>>moderator.<BR>><BR>> John Gayer
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