Pattern breeds pattern!!!! I like that. And parents of pattern flyers breed new pattern flyers. How many in pattern today were introduced to RC and pattern by a father? I was. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Mike Hester <kerlock@comcast.net></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16525" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Been saying this forever, but sometimes it falls on deaf ears........ "pattern breeds pattern".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if there are no pattern flyers at your club, then fly pattern. No, most won't be interested at first, but give them time....ONE will decide to give it a shot. may take a few months, may take a few years. But once you get 2, it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key is being there and flying it and NEVER speaking badly
about it. you have to "sell" the idea that it's fun, challenging, and they can DO IT.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's face it, in a club with 100 members, MAYBE 5 will ever be interested in pursuing pattern. The time, money, discipline, etc that it takes to actively compete is a level of participation and dedication that most people do not have, and that's not a bad thing....toy planes. But we have to make sure we reach those 5 and don't do anything stupid to burn them before they get hooked. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH. He was flying a 60-90 sized plane and whipping 2 meters on a national level. Your average guy is going to see that and say "I could never do that". But 5% are going to say "I WANT to do that". Find em.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wilsorc@gmail.com href="mailto:wilsorc@gmail.com">Bob Wilson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:40 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Insights from a long time RC flyer who has just joined NSRCA.</FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Most RC pilots don't understand pattern and don't want to look bad.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It's easy to flippity-flop all over the sky, but disciplined flying is tough. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one has ever required them to fly a straight line parallel to the runway.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Anything other than a loop or roll is alien.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Humpty's, Top-Hats, Figure M, Cobra…you might as well talk Swahili.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If NSRCA is going to address falling membership they need to educate the RC community at the ground level. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At the Peoria RC Modelers we are trying hard to promote pattern.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most exciting, however, is a young man from China (Jack Li) who joined our club. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Jack is 16 and practiced pattern in China.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This year he competed in "Intermediate" at Hoffman Estates and won first place.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His subsequent visit to the NATS resulted in an Intermediate 2<SUP>nd</SUP> place.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Next year he will be competing at the "Masters" level.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our club is taking a new look at Pattern and beginning to wake up.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A recent club "Mini Pattern" event had 10 competitors.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hopefully, we will build on this and get more people into serious competition, but we really feel that education and emphasis on the Sportsman sequence is the key to bringing in new blood. </FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Bob Wilson</FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">VP</FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Peoria RC Modelers</FONT></div><BR><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/22/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>John Gayer</B> <<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Del,<BR><BR>Having sold advertising(a lot) when I ran a radio station, I can tell you that the customers need to be constantly resold on a product that is clearly in their best interests. <BR>This also means selling on the basis that the advertising works, not as charity support for the NSRCA. Feedback to the advertisers is also key to keeping an advertiser on-board. We
as members need find a way to mention the K-Factor whenever you buy something and to make sure that you know who is currrently advertising. <BR><BR>John<BR><BR>Del K. Rykert wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=http://mid009301c7e4cc$8c59b8a0$6501a8c0@DELSPENTIUM4 type="cite"> <DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_1149047af04b52a2_1> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>I suspect is mostly because of lack of support or don't have the resources/time or health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a change in the numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the officers and leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the perception of a known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are making changes and things will improve. That was years ago.. How many more years will it take? I still see a continuing decline with some insisting it is only a local thing thinking as their area/district is growing so therefore no problem. </FONT><FONT
color=#0000ff>If I don't see a change to the positive I have to assume the efforts on everyone's part hasn't truly addressed the issues. I fully realize all about "<EM><FONT color=#800000> assuming</FONT></EM>". So if the true goal is to draw new blood and grow the ranks then the efforts have to be shifted to focus the few resources the organization does have to focus more efforts to draw the new blood. If the advertisers were truly onboard they would be there year after year.. Not need further enticements to return to placing an ad. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><U>None of my comments are meant to infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't been commendable in their efforts to address the problem. The results are what I still feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes. If no wannabe exist then we are left with what we have.
</U></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff> </FONT><FONT color=#800000><EM> Del </EM></FONT></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=patternrules@yahoo.com onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Steven Maxwell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome? Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> Have to agree with John and Mike on this, this adminstation has only been in office a few months and nothing happens over night.</DIV> <DIV> The other thing I always see is people with ideas but never see there name on a ballet if people are really want to make a difference and they have all the better ways why do we see unopposed ballets.</DIV> <DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>mike mueller <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" target=_blank><mups1953@yahoo.com></A></I></B>
wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <DIV> Very well stated JLK. I have been in pattern for a very longtime and I can tell you that the leaders we have right now are taking us in a positive direction. I have a lot of faith in them. It will take some patience but I think there are a lot of positive things in place. </DIV> <DIV> This forum is an open discussion of ideas and thoughts some are agreeable some are not. Either way its it important that everyone be heard. If there's a new concept that has merit then in time the group will adopt it. </DIV> <DIV> The biggest problem that I see with our sport is the lack of younger people getting in. We need new blood ASAP. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>John Konneker <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com"
target=_blank><jlkonn@hotmail.com></A></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">If I may.<BR>As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the K-Factor.<BR>It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on board to make the K-Factor self <BR>supporting.<BR>I believe that goal is achievable.<BR>I just prepared the invoicing for the July issue and total billings, month <BR>to month, are increasing.<BR>We have a great bunch of advertisers already that have been very supportive <BR>of the NSRCA.<BR>Please support them whenever you can.<BR>I contact potential advertisers all the time.<BR>If you have any you'd like to suggest please let me know.<BR>If you have personal contact with any and think you can get them interested, <BR>by all means talk to them.<BR>Ron Davies is doing a great job as treasurer and reports on the NSRCA <BR>finances every month in his K-Factor column.<BR>Through these reports you
can see it's not just members dues that generate <BR>the operating income of the NSRCA.<BR>As an aside I flew the Nats this year.<BR>Derek invited me to the NSRCA board meeting held on Tuesday night.<BR>I had been out of RC since the late '80s and only started pattern again last <BR>year.<BR>I can't tell you how impressed I was with the officers.<BR>Everyone, without exception, has the advancement of pattern in their hearts.<BR>Everyone, without exception, was positive in their attitude.<BR>There were no hidden agendas. <BR>No "us" vs "them".<BR>>From Derek on down we have a great bunch!<BR>JLK<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Del K. Rykert" <BR>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome? Please <BR>>review'NSRCAMembers'<BR>>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54 -0400<BR>><BR>>I truly hear you message loud and clear John. Do you have any further <BR>>suggestions, as many don't want to look at
some of the changes that have <BR>>been proposed? I know it has been discussed on the list to degree of <BR>>making some just deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't <BR>>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to assume they want <BR>>to see the NSRCA fail. I hope.<BR>><BR>> Del<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: John Gayer<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM<BR>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Please review 'NSRCAMembers'<BR>><BR>><BR>> The attached Chart is based on numbers on the NSRCA website and the <BR>>treasurer's report in the latest K-Factor. If the membership continues to <BR>>reject any thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this downward slide <BR>> continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to afford <BR>>producing the K-Factor which is about the only reason to stay on. <BR>><BR>> I tried to post this
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