<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16525" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Been saying this forever, but sometimes
it falls on deaf ears........ "pattern breeds pattern".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if there are no pattern flyers at your club, then
fly pattern. No, most won't be interested at first, but give them time....ONE
will decide to give it a shot. may take a few months, may take a few years. But
once you get 2, it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key is being there and
flying it and NEVER speaking badly about it. you have to "sell" the idea that
it's fun, challenging, and they can DO IT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's face it, in a club with 100 members, MAYBE 5
will ever be interested in pursuing pattern. The time, money, discipline, etc
that it takes to actively compete is a level of participation and dedication
that most people do not have, and that's not a bad thing....toy planes. But
we have to make sure we reach those 5 and don't do anything stupid to burn them
before they get hooked. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH. He was
flying a 60-90 sized plane and whipping 2 meters on a national level. Your
average guy is going to see that and say "I could never do that". But 5% are
going to say "I WANT to do that". Find em.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=wilsorc@gmail.com href="mailto:wilsorc@gmail.com">Bob Wilson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
ship Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Insights
from a long time RC flyer who has just joined NSRCA.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Most RC
pilots don't understand pattern and don't want to look bad.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It's easy to flippity-flop all over
the sky, but disciplined flying is tough. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one has ever required them to fly a
straight line parallel to the runway.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Anything other than a loop or roll is alien.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Humpty's, Top-Hats, Figure M,
Cobra…you might as well talk Swahili.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>If NSRCA is going to address falling membership they need to educate
the RC community at the ground level. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>At the Peoria RC Modelers we are trying hard to promote pattern.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most exciting, however, is a young man
from China (Jack Li) who joined our club. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Jack is 16 and practiced pattern in
China.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This year he competed in
"Intermediate" at Hoffman Estates and won first place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His subsequent visit to the NATS
resulted in an Intermediate 2<SUP>nd</SUP> place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Next year he will be competing at the
"Masters" level.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our club is
taking a new look at Pattern and beginning to wake up.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A recent club "Mini Pattern" event had
10 competitors.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hopefully, we
will build on this and get more people into serious competition, but we really
feel that education and emphasis on the Sportsman sequence is the key to
bringing in new blood. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Bob
Wilson</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">VP</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Peoria RC
Modelers</FONT></P><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/22/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>John
Gayer</B> <<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Del,<BR><BR>Having sold advertising(a
lot) when I ran a radio station, I can tell you that the customers need to
be constantly resold on a product that is clearly in their best interests.
<BR>This also means selling on the basis that the advertising works, not as
charity support for the NSRCA. Feedback to the advertisers is also key to
keeping an advertiser on-board. We as members need find a way to mention the
K-Factor whenever you buy something and to make sure that you know who is
currrently advertising. <BR><BR>John<BR><BR>Del K. Rykert wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=http://mid009301c7e4cc$8c59b8a0$6501a8c0@DELSPENTIUM4
type="cite">
<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_1149047af04b52a2_1>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>I suspect is mostly
because of lack of support or don't have the resources/time or
health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a change in the
numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the officers and
leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the perception of a
known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are making changes
and things will improve. That was years ago.. How many more
years will it take? I still see a continuing decline with some
insisting it is only a local thing thinking as their area/district is
growing so therefore no problem. </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>If I don't see
a change to the positive I have to assume the efforts on everyone's
part hasn't truly addressed the issues. I fully realize all about
"<EM><FONT color=#800000> assuming</FONT></EM>". So if the true goal is
to draw new blood and grow the ranks then the efforts have to be
shifted to focus the few resources the organization does have to focus
more efforts to draw the new blood. If the advertisers were truly
onboard they would be there year after year.. Not need further
enticements to return to placing an ad. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><U>None of my comments are meant to infer all
the efforts of all parties hasn't been commendable in their efforts to
address the problem. The results are what I still feel need to
be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes. If no wannabe exist then we
are left with what we have. </U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT><FONT color=#800000><EM>
Del </EM></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">-----
Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patternrules@yahoo.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Steven Maxwell</A>
</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA
Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
<DIV> Have to agree with John and Mike on this, this adminstation
has only been in office a few months and nothing happens over
night.</DIV>
<DIV> The other thing I always see is people with ideas but never
see there name on a ballet if people are really want to make a
difference and they have all the better ways why do we see unopposed
ballets.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>mike mueller <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com"
target=_blank><mups1953@yahoo.com></A></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">
<DIV> Very well stated JLK. I have been in pattern for a very
longtime and I can tell you that the leaders we have right now
are taking us in a positive direction. I have a lot of faith in them.
It will take some patience but I think there are a lot of
positive things in place. </DIV>
<DIV> This forum is an open discussion of ideas and thoughts some
are agreeable some are not. Either way its it important that everyone
be heard. If there's a new concept that has merit then in time the
group will adopt it. </DIV>
<DIV> The biggest problem that I see with our sport is the lack
of younger people getting in. We need new blood
ASAP. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>John
Konneker <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com"
target=_blank><jlkonn@hotmail.com></A></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">If
I may.<BR>As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the
K-Factor.<BR>It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on board to
make the K-Factor self <BR>supporting.<BR>I believe that goal is
achievable.<BR>I just prepared the invoicing for the July issue and
total billings, month <BR>to month, are increasing.<BR>We have a
great bunch of advertisers already that have been very supportive
<BR>of the NSRCA.<BR>Please support them whenever you can.<BR>I
contact potential advertisers all the time.<BR>If you have any you'd
like to suggest please let me know.<BR>If you have personal contact
with any and think you can get them interested, <BR>by all means
talk to them.<BR>Ron Davies is doing a great job as treasurer and
reports on the NSRCA <BR>finances every month in his K-Factor
column.<BR>Through these reports you can see it's not just members
dues that generate <BR>the operating income of the NSRCA.<BR>As an
aside I flew the Nats this year.<BR>Derek invited me to the NSRCA
board meeting held on Tuesday night.<BR>I had been out of RC since
the late '80s and only started pattern again last <BR>year.<BR>I
can't tell you how impressed I was with the officers.<BR>Everyone,
without exception, has the advancement of pattern in their
hearts.<BR>Everyone, without exception, was positive in their
attitude.<BR>There were no hidden agendas. <BR>No "us" vs
"them".<BR>>From Derek on down we have a great
bunch!<BR>JLK<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Del K. Rykert" <BR>>Reply-To:
NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome? Please
<BR>>review'NSRCAMembers'<BR>>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54
-0400<BR>><BR>>I truly hear you message loud and clear John.
Do you have any further <BR>>suggestions, as many don't want to
look at some of the changes that have <BR>>been proposed? I know
it has been discussed on the list to degree of <BR>>making some
just deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't
<BR>>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to
assume they want <BR>>to see the NSRCA fail. I
hope.<BR>><BR>> Del<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: John Gayer<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Please review
'NSRCAMembers'<BR>><BR>><BR>> The attached Chart is based
on numbers on the NSRCA website and the <BR>>treasurer's report
in the latest K-Factor. If the membership continues to
<BR>>reject any thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this
downward slide <BR>> continuing. We are currently on the verge of
being unable to afford <BR>>producing the K-Factor which is about
the only reason to stay on. <BR>><BR>> I tried to post this
several days ago with an inline chart but the size <BR>>was 4K
oversize for the list parameters. It's been awaiting approval of the
<BR>>moderator.<BR>><BR>> John Gayer <BR>> NSRCA
632<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>><BR>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list <BR>> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR><BR><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR>><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>
NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
</A><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>
<HR SIZE=1>
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
story.<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48224/*http://sims.yahoo.com/"
target=_blank>Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
</A>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org </A><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<P></P>
<HR SIZE=1>
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48252/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC"
target=_blank>mobile search that gives answers </A>, not web links.
<P></P>
<HR>
_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org </A><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV><PRE><HR width="90%" SIZE=4><SPAN class=q>
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></SPAN></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
</A><BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing
list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>