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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Agree COMPLETELY on the Masters – F3A bit... Would love to have more people try it. They’d find at the local level it’s a lot of fun. Plus they get to judge all of their former Masters peers...although in our district that’s a discouragement. Getting stuck judging 18 masters pilots EVERY round, verses judging 3 FAI for one round. It’s starting to balance, but not without some pushing.<BR>
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On 8/23/07 5:33 PM, "John Gayer" <jgghome@comcast.net> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>The option system I proposed addresses this. The only requirement when you point out is that you <U>try </U>the next class. This could be for a year, two contests, whatever we decide to propose. If it's too intense/difficult/time consuming in the next class, drop back. I find it unlikely that this would be abused and peer pressure should take care of any that are purely camped for trophies.<BR>
I see absolutely no reason not to include Masters in this advancement/option scheme. Come on guys, try F3A, you might actually like it.<BR>
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Mark Atwood wrote: <BR>
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I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up. Period.<BR>
Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than just the top<BR>
guys.<BR>
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We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual<BR>
competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters. Why?<BR>
Because they can camp there. They are serious enough, or have time enough,<BR>
or talent enough to have fun at that level. Most can win a round here and<BR>
there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.<BR>
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The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced. Those that<BR>
have a little less time, a little less talent, etc. They have fun until<BR>
they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they really<BR>
don't belong and they quit. Can't move back, and don't have fun bringing up<BR>
the bottom ALWAYS in masters.<BR>
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Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay there happily<BR>
until pattern retirement. They'd win some, lose some, watch others pass<BR>
them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced. Etc etc etc.<BR>
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We've beat this to death. Unfortunately someone out there is scared of the<BR>
almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable hardware in<BR>
a lower class because they suck to much to beat them. THAT person is the<BR>
one we should not be catering too...<BR>
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-Mark<BR>
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On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, "seefo@san.rr.com" <a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><mailto:seefo@san.rr.com></a> <seefo@san.rr.com> <a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><mailto:seefo@san.rr.com></a> wrote:<BR>
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What exactly is a casual competitor?<BR>
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I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary<BR>
to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly<BR>
cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have other<BR>
things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't practice every<BR>
day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or<BR>
anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do put in<BR>
the time.<BR>
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A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top of their<BR>
game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that<BR>
fact. At that point they have 3 choices.<BR>
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1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.<BR>
2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.<BR>
3) Move on to something else.<BR>
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People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE unforgiving<BR>
of excuses.<BR>
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-Doug <BR>
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From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2@rochester.rr.com> <a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com></a> <BR>
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm<BR>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]<BR>
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These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving<BR>
away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to<BR>
truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and<BR>
help at fielding contests.<BR>
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Del <BR>
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