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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Tony</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Folks require value in belonging to any association. Some
have captive audiences - belong or don't play. As you've noted - these are
diminishing. The AMA has enjoyed a somewhat captive audience as a result of its
charter club and insurance programs. The technology of ARF's, E-flight, foamies,
spread spectrum radios, etc. allows many more folks to give model aviation a
try. It's hard for most of them to see the value in AMA membership,
especially when it comes at a cost often 10% or more of their
investment. The captive audience is slipping away! Hmm - ask most flyers what
AMA is and they will likely respond - insurance. This is sad - certainly in this
day and age insurance is necessary, but many perceive that the AMA uses the
"insurance angle" to "require" membership so as to fly at club sites. Lots of
folks now forego this and simply fly from school yards / parks / etc. and likely
have less success at flying, all while missing the wonderful comradery
available in organized model aviation. It's really tough when a young family
shows up at a flying site, bright eyed youngster in tow with a new ARF, and is
sent away with an AMA application requiring more spending before they can enjoy
model aviation. It would be a lot more beneficial to all if some sort of "trial
membership" was somehow included in the purchase of the beginners equipment in
the first place.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The AMA needs to do a better job of providing value, both
real and perceived, to modelers and prospective modelers. Several programs
are currently in place to do this, yet they aren't well known outside the core
of the organization. Advertising in venues that folks with slight modeling
interest might see is one way - presenting this info in Model Aviation is only
preaching to the choir. There has been discussion of a scaled fee for
membership, basis what is flown. There are good arguments for and against
this. However, consider that bringing newbies into the fold for some
nominal fee while while they explore their new foamy could provide valuable
benefits (including growth) to the organization. The AMA has an opportunity to
move forward technically with a new Technical Director. Very good work has
been done coordinating our needs with the FCC, FAA, EPA and other government and
industry interests. More could be done providing means for technological
advancements to modeling - a wind tunnel for model use at Muncie is one thought
(Don Lowe made a pitch for this years ago). More could be done to decouple the
cost of international competition from the general membership, yet there was
more effort spent finding ways this couldn't be done (through foundation grants)
than ways to make it happen when it was explored a few years ago.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sure - the AMA needs to keep its fiscal house in order.
But - the AMA needs to not lose focus of the value membership brings,
while trying to be more of a business. The AMA insurance program is a good value
- but the AMA is probably too close to being an insurance company in the view of
many. The AMA can and will grow by proactively operating in the manner described
in the Mission Statement, however it might do well to include "ensure these
activities provide real value" and work to demonstrate that to not only current,
but prospective members. There are opportunities for the new and energetic
VP's like yourself on the EC to make the AMA a better value - do that and
membership will take care of itself. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Certainly the NSRCA benefits from a strong AMA. Ensuring
that beginners are exposed to our pattern niche doesn't happen if the
newbie crashes on a school yard. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Earl makes some good
points, but you need to also realize that this same syndrome is occurring with
many other sports/pastimes as well. The idea of belonging to an
organization does not that the draw that it once did. AMA has similar
issues, but so does other sports/hobbies. The fact that more people fly
R/C now than ever before, yet AMA is loosing about 2% per year is a sobering
fact. Competition events, as well as non-competition event sanctions
have been in a decline over the past several years.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All of this points to
a change in how we as Americans are looking at our free time and how we can
best spend it. This change affects Pattern as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Another aspect is
that what is offered to the membership does not have the same impact as what
it used to have. Here again, AMA is feeling this same problem as
well. Publications are going away, toward online subscriptions and the
ever-popular discussion boards. Lets face it, if you have a question,
you don’t go back through issues of K-Factor to find them, you put it out to
the discussion list! That way you get today’s info. Sure, the
K-Factor still has value and I enjoy reading it still. But the future is
in on-line real-time discussions and information.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There will always be
competition flying. We need to do all the things that have been
suggested by this list! Primers are effective and bring in people.
Having a pattern intro-day at you club helps. You will never bring in
large numbers, but the one-at-a-time approach does work.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then again, ask
yourself, what would happen if next year all the pattern contests you went to
had 100 entries? How about 300 at the NATS?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Earl Haury<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:47
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You make several good points. It
would be interesting to look for correlations between pattern activity
nationally (# contests / participation) and NSRCA membership. I suspect this
might show pattern is healthier than NSRCA membership indicates - at least
basis my observations of pattern participation / new competitors in my area
(D6). If that's the case - then there's likely a correlation between NSRCA
membership and some NSRCA activity. Dues increases might be the first thing to
check, but not the only. The advent of online information likely has had an
impact on the thirst for the K-Factor, for example. Like you say - the NSRCA
provides the Nats and the K-Factor, and I would add this forum, that provide
obvious value. (The website is a very strong and useful tool that is likely
underutilized by the membership.) But have the dues necessary to support the
organization reached a point where many feel the value doesn't meet the cost?
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So - I'm suggesting that we better
understand the issues affecting the "problem". Has membership dropped each
time the dues raise? Has membership fluctuated with the size / reliability of
the K-Factor? </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has membership tracked with
pattern activity? There are probably others - some of which may not be easy to
examine. Anyone passionate enough about this to dig through the data and
better define cause and effect?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Earl</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:16 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi <ST1:PLACE
u5:st="on"><ST1:STATE u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Del</st1:State></st1:place></ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE>,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I look
at it like this – nobody researches organizational leadership, determines
which are good or bad, then starts a sport or hobby because the
orchestrating organization is to their liking. If someone wanted to
bowl they would not intuitively look to the Professional Bowlers
Association, then go to the local alley and take a lesson. If a
newcomer to pattern has a negative opinion of the NSRCA then it is 99.9%
certain that a current or former NSRCA member put that thought in their
head. I also do not believe that people “quit” or drop out of pattern
because of the NSRCA. The NSRCA does not build your planes, tune your
motor, pack your ice-chest, or get your pattern-buddy motivated to go to the
next contest with you – that is all “people” stuff and we are the
people. However the NSRCA does facilitate a huge number of things that
unite our sport across the country – all of which are totally unknown to
newcomers probably and are not a big deal to them. Like the NSRCA or
not – who cares??? The real deal should be whether or not you enjoy
flying your pattern plane in competitions – and if so go and
compete…<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I happen
to think that if you just think about growing pattern, then NSRCA growth
will follow to a large percentage. You (read as you, I, and others)
grow the sport by being around the other R/C guys in your area and getting
to know them one on one. Interest in our part of the sport will be
there or it won’t. If it is, then try to cultivate it. We can’t
drag people into this, but we can offer insight, help, and the “rewards” of
flying precision aerobatics. There is also a percentage of current
pilots that will cross-over from IMAC or Jets if they are interested, but
need a nudge in this direction. Its hard for current R/C’ers to make
the jump if they have never flown a pattern plane or at least seen some
pattern videos. Thank goodness for the D4 website which is now posting
some of the 2007 Nationals flight videos – THANK YOU D4! I have
enjoyed watching them. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>If we
want the sport to grow as well as the NSRCA then we need to get out and
shake some hands and loan airplanes or buddy cord up. I support the
NSRCA 100% but the NSRCA does not give me anything that I truly enjoy from
the hobby (accept for the Nationals and K-Factor) – this is provided by the
friends I’ve made and my own pursuit of a perfect sequence.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:PERSONNAME u5:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME>
w.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>twtaylor<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:16
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<ST1:PERSONNAME
u5:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>So we
agree there’s a problem. How do we fix it? Lets throw some idea’s out
there.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Pattern
primers are/have been successful in the past maybe we need
more?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Personally
my club will not allow me to have any type contest at our field much less a
Pattern contest. When I brought it up I was soundly beat around the head and
shoulders about the where we fly our patterns and the club felt it would
upset the neighbors. IMHO my club is a bunch of Sunday fliers that don’t
want to put forth the effort. We do have some new blood coming in that might
change the way our club operates. It will take a major change in club
officers to do it. Only problem is we have a self imposed 400’ ceiling.
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K.
Rykert<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
August 22, 2007 10:56 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME u5:st="on">NSRCA
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I
suspect is mostly because of lack of support or don't have the
resources/time or health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a
change in the numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the
officers and leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the
perception of a known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are
making changes and things will improve. That was years ago.. How
many more years will it take? I still see a continuing decline with
some insisting it is only a local thing thinking as their area/district is
growing so therefore no problem.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I don't see a
change to the positive I have to assume the efforts on everyone's part
hasn't truly addressed the issues. I fully realize all about
"</SPAN></FONT><EM><I><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">assuming</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">". So if the true
goal is to draw new blood and grow the ranks then the efforts have to
be shifted to focus the few resources the organization does have to focus
more efforts to draw the new blood. If the advertisers were truly
onboard they would be there year after year.. Not need further
enticements to return to placing an ad. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">None of my
comments are meant to infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't been
commendable in their efforts to address the problem. The results are what
I still feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes.
If no wannabe exist then we are left with what we
have.</SPAN></FONT></U><O:P></O:P><FONT color=black><SPAN
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u5:st="on"><ST1:STATE u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=patternrules@yahoo.com href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com">Steven
Maxwell</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday,
August 22, 2007 8:40 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P> Have to agree with
John and Mike on this, this adminstation has only been in office a few
months and nothing happens over
night.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> The other thing I always see
is people with ideas but never see there name on a ballet if people are
really want to make a difference and they have all the better ways why do
we see unopposed ballets.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> Steve
Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">mike mueller
<mups1953@yahoo.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> Very well stated JLK. I have
been in pattern for a very longtime and I can tell you that the
leaders we have right now are taking us in a positive direction. I have
a lot of faith in them. It will take some patience but I think there are
a lot of positive things in
place.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> This forum is an open
discussion of ideas and thoughts some are agreeable some are not. Either
way its it important that everyone be heard. If there's a new concept
that has merit then in time the group will adopt
it.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> The biggest problem that I
see with our sport is the lack of younger people getting in. We need new
blood ASAP.
Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">John Konneker
<jlkonn@hotmail.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">If I may.<BR>As a
lot of you know I am the ad manager for the K-Factor.<BR>It is my goal
to bring enough advertisers on board to make the K-Factor self
<BR>supporting.<BR>I believe that goal is achievable.<BR>I just
prepared the invoicing for the July issue and total billings, month
<BR>to month, are increasing.<BR>We have a great bunch of advertisers
already that have been very supportive <BR>of the NSRCA.<BR>Please
support them whenever you can.<BR>I contact potential advertisers all
the time.<BR>If you have any you'd like to suggest please let me
know.<BR>If you have personal contact with any and think you can get
them interested, <BR>by all means talk to them.<BR>Ron Davies is doing
a great job as treasurer and reports on the NSRCA <BR>finances every
month in his K-Factor column.<BR>Through these reports you can see
it's not just members dues that generate <BR>the operating income of
the NSRCA.<BR>As an aside I flew the Nats this year.<BR>Derek invited
me to the NSRCA board meeting held on Tuesday night.<BR>I had been out
of RC since the late '80s and only started pattern again last
<BR>year.<BR>I can't tell you how impressed I was with the
officers.<BR>Everyone, without exception, has the advancement of
pattern in their hearts.<BR>Everyone, without exception, was positive
in their attitude.<BR>There were no hidden agendas.<BR>No "us" vs
"them".<BR>>From Derek on down we have a great
bunch!<BR>JLK<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Del K. Rykert"
<BR><DRYKERT2@ROCHESTER.RR.COM>>Reply-To: <ST1:PERSONNAME
u5:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME>
<BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>To: "<ST1:PERSONNAME
u5:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME>"
<BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sinking ship Syndrome? Please
<BR>>review'NSRCAMembers'<BR>>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54
-0400<BR>><BR>>I truly hear you message loud and clear John. Do
you have any further <BR>>suggestions, as many don't want to look
at some of the changes that have <BR>>been proposed? I know it has
been discussed on the list to degree of <BR>>making some just
deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't
<BR>>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to
assume they want <BR>>to see the NSRCA fail. <TIC>I
hope.<BR>><BR>> <ST1:PLACE u5:st="on"><ST1:STATE
u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Del</st1:State></st1:place></ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE><BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: John Gayer<BR>> To:
<ST1:PERSONNAME u5:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Please review
'NSRCAMembers'<BR>><BR>><BR>> The attached Chart is based on
numbers on the NSRCA website and the <BR>>treasurer's report in the
latest K-Factor. If the membership continues to <BR>>reject any
thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this downward slide
<BR>> continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to
afford <BR>>producing the K-Factor which is about the only reason
to stay on.<BR>><BR>> I tried to post this several days ago with
an inline chart but the size <BR>>was 4K oversize for the list
parameters. It's been awaiting approval of the
<BR>>moderator.<BR>><BR>> John Gayer<BR>> NSRCA
632<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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