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From: "Tony" <tony@radiosouthrc.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'
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Earl makes some good points, but you need to also realize that this same
syndrome is occurring with many other sports/pastimes as well.  The idea of
belonging to an organization does not that the draw that it once did.  AMA
has similar issues, but so does other sports/hobbies.  The fact that more
people fly R/C now than ever before, yet AMA is loosing about 2% per year is
a sobering fact.  Competition events, as well as non-competition event
sanctions have been in a decline over the past several years.  

 

All of this points to a change in how we as Americans are looking at our
free time and how we can best spend it.  This change affects Pattern as
well.


Another aspect is that what is offered to the membership does not have the
same impact as what it used to have.  Here again, AMA is feeling this same
problem as well.  Publications are going away, toward online subscriptions
and the ever-popular discussion boards.  Lets face it, if you have a
question, you don't go back through issues of K-Factor to find them, you put
it out to the discussion list!  That way you get today's info.  Sure, the
K-Factor still has value and I enjoy reading it still.  But the future is in
on-line real-time discussions and information.  

 

There will always be competition flying.  We need to do all the things that
have been suggested by this list!  Primers are effective and bring in
people.  Having a pattern intro-day at you club helps.  You will never bring
in large numbers, but the one-at-a-time approach does work. 

 

Then again, ask yourself, what would happen if next year all the pattern
contests you went to had 100 entries?  How about 300 at the NATS?

 

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

tony@radiosouthrc.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:47 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

 

Jim

 

You make several good points. It would be interesting to look for
correlations between pattern activity nationally (# contests /
participation) and NSRCA membership. I suspect this might show pattern is
healthier than NSRCA membership indicates - at least basis my observations
of pattern participation / new competitors in my area (D6). If that's the
case - then there's likely a correlation between NSRCA membership and some
NSRCA activity. Dues increases might be the first thing to check, but not
the only. The advent of online information likely has had an impact on the
thirst for the K-Factor, for example. Like you say - the NSRCA provides the
Nats and the K-Factor, and I would add this forum, that provide obvious
value. (The website is a very strong and useful tool that is likely
underutilized by the membership.) But have the dues necessary to support the
organization reached a point where many feel the value doesn't meet the
cost? 

 

So - I'm suggesting that we better understand the issues affecting the
"problem". Has membership dropped each time the dues raise? Has membership
fluctuated with the size / reliability of the K-Factor? 

Has membership tracked with pattern activity? There are probably others -
some of which may not be easy to examine. Anyone passionate enough about
this to dig through the data and better define cause and effect?

 

Earl

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Woodward, <mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com>  Jim 

To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

 

Hi Del,

I look at it like this - nobody researches organizational leadership,
determines which are good or bad, then starts a sport or hobby because the
orchestrating organization is to their liking.  If someone wanted to bowl
they would not intuitively look to the Professional Bowlers Association,
then go to the local alley and take a lesson.  If a newcomer to pattern has
a negative opinion of the NSRCA then it is 99.9% certain that a current or
former NSRCA member put that thought in their head.  I also do not believe
that people "quit" or drop out of pattern because of the NSRCA.  The NSRCA
does not build your planes, tune your motor, pack your ice-chest, or get
your pattern-buddy motivated to go to the next contest with you - that is
all "people" stuff and we are the people.  However the NSRCA does facilitate
a huge number of things that unite our sport across the country - all of
which are totally unknown to newcomers probably and are not a big deal to
them.  Like the NSRCA or not - who cares???  The real deal should be whether
or not you enjoy flying your pattern plane in competitions - and if so go
and compete.

I happen to think that if you just think about growing pattern, then NSRCA
growth will follow to a large percentage.  You (read as you, I, and others)
grow the sport by being around the other R/C guys in your area and getting
to know them one on one.  Interest in our part of the sport will be there or
it won't.  If it is, then try to cultivate it.  We can't drag people into
this, but we can offer insight, help, and the "rewards" of flying precision
aerobatics.  There is also a percentage of current pilots that will
cross-over from IMAC or Jets if they are interested, but need a nudge in
this direction.  Its hard for current R/C'ers to make the jump if they have
never flown a pattern plane or at least seen some pattern videos.  Thank
goodness for the D4 website which is now posting some of the 2007 Nationals
flight videos - THANK YOU D4!  I have enjoyed watching them.  

If we want the sport to grow as well as the NSRCA then we need to get out
and shake some hands and loan airplanes or buddy cord up.  I support the
NSRCA 100% but the NSRCA does not give me anything that I truly enjoy from
the hobby (accept for the Nationals and K-Factor) - this is provided by the
friends I've made and my own pursuit of a perfect sequence.  

Thanks,

Jim w.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of twtaylor
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

So we agree there's a problem. How do we fix it? Lets throw some idea's out
there.

Pattern primers are/have been successful in the past maybe we need more?

Personally my club will not allow me to have any type contest at our field
much less a Pattern contest. When I brought it up I was soundly beat around
the head and shoulders about the where we fly our patterns and the club felt
it would upset the neighbors. IMHO my club is a bunch of Sunday fliers that
don't want to put forth the effort. We do have some new blood coming in that
might change the way our club operates. It will take a major change in club
officers to do it. Only problem is we have a self imposed 400' ceiling.    

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del K. Rykert
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:56 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship
Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

I suspect is mostly because of lack of support or don't have the
resources/time or health to commit to office. What I haven't seen is a
change in the numbers no matter how positive the attitudes are of the
officers and leaders. A few years ago when I tried to bring up the
perception of a known problem in my mind I was told to be quiet as we are
making changes and things will improve.  That was years ago..  How many more
years will it take? I still see a continuing decline with some insisting it
is only a local thing thinking as their area/district is growing so
therefore no problem. If I don't see a change to the positive I have to
assume the efforts on everyone's part hasn't truly addressed the issues. I
fully realize all about "assuming". So if the true goal is to draw new blood
and grow the ranks then the efforts have to be shifted to focus the few
resources the organization does have to focus more efforts to draw the new
blood. If the advertisers were truly onboard they would be there year after
year..  Not need further enticements to return to placing an ad. 

    

None of my comments are meant to infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't
been commendable in their efforts to address the problem. The results are
what I still feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes. If no
wannabe exist then we are left with what we have.

    Del    

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Steven Maxwell <mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com>  

To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

 Have to agree with John and Mike on this, this adminstation has only been
in office a few months and nothing happens over night.

 The other thing I always see is people with ideas but never see there name
on a ballet if people are really want to make a difference and they have all
the better ways why do we see unopposed ballets.

 Steve Maxwell

mike mueller <mups1953@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Very well stated JLK. I have been in pattern for a very longtime and I can
tell you that the leaders we have right now are taking us in a positive
direction. I have a lot of faith in them. It will take some patience but I
think there are a lot of positive things in place.

 This forum is an open discussion of ideas and thoughts some are agreeable
some are not. Either way its it important that everyone be heard. If there's
a new concept that has merit then in time the group will adopt it.

 The biggest problem that I see with our sport is the lack of younger people
getting in. We need new blood ASAP.        Mike

John Konneker <jlkonn@hotmail.com> wrote:

If I may.
As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the K-Factor.
It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on board to make the K-Factor self

supporting.
I believe that goal is achievable.
I just prepared the invoicing for the July issue and total billings, month 
to month, are increasing.
We have a great bunch of advertisers already that have been very supportive 
of the NSRCA.
Please support them whenever you can.
I contact potential advertisers all the time.
If you have any you'd like to suggest please let me know.
If you have personal contact with any and think you can get them interested,

by all means talk to them.
Ron Davies is doing a great job as treasurer and reports on the NSRCA 
finances every month in his K-Factor column.
Through these reports you can see it's not just members dues that generate 
the operating income of the NSRCA.
As an aside I flew the Nats this year.
Derek invited me to the NSRCA board meeting held on Tuesday night.
I had been out of RC since the late '80s and only started pattern again last

year.
I can't tell you how impressed I was with the officers.
Everyone, without exception, has the advancement of pattern in their hearts.
Everyone, without exception, was positive in their attitude.
There were no hidden agendas.
No "us" vs "them".
>From Derek on down we have a great bunch!
JLK


>From: "Del K. Rykert" 
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List 
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome? Please 
>review'NSRCAMembers'
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54 -0400
>
>I truly hear you message loud and clear John. Do you have any further 
>suggestions, as many don't want to look at some of the changes that have 
>been proposed? I know it has been discussed on the list to degree of 
>making some just deleting post without even reading them. Either they don't

>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to assume they want 
>to see the NSRCA fail. I hope.
>
> Del
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gayer
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Please review 'NSRCAMembers'
>
>
> The attached Chart is based on numbers on the NSRCA website and the 
>treasurer's report in the latest K-Factor. If the membership continues to 
>reject any thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this downward slide

> continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to afford 
>producing the K-Factor which is about the only reason to stay on.
>
> I tried to post this several days ago with an inline chart but the size 
>was 4K oversize for the list parameters. It's been awaiting approval of the

>moderator.
>
> John Gayer
> NSRCA 632
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you need
to also realize that this same syndrome is occurring with many other
sports/pastimes as well.  The idea of belonging to an organization =
does
not that the draw that it once did.  AMA has similar issues, but so =
does
other sports/hobbies.  The fact that more people fly R/C now than =
ever
before, yet AMA is loosing about 2% per year is a sobering fact. 
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in a
decline over the past several years.  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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This change affects Pattern as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Another aspect is that what is offered to the membership does not have =
the same
impact as what it used to have.  Here again, AMA is feeling this =
same
problem as well.  Publications are going away, toward online =
subscriptions
and the ever-popular discussion boards.  Lets face it, if you have =
a
question, you don’t go back through issues of K-Factor to find =
them, you
put it out to the discussion list!  That way you get today’s
info.  Sure, the K-Factor still has value and I enjoy reading it
still.  But the future is in on-line real-time discussions and =
information. 
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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flying.  We need to do all the things that have been suggested by =
this
list!  Primers are effective and bring in people.  Having a =
pattern
intro-day at you club helps.  You will never bring in large =
numbers, but
the one-at-a-time approach does work. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Earl Haury<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August =
22, 2007
11:47 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing =
List<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</span></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>Jim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You make several good points. It would be interesting =
to
look for correlations between pattern activity nationally (# contests /
participation) and NSRCA membership. I suspect this might show pattern =
is
healthier than NSRCA membership indicates - at least basis my =
observations of
pattern participation / new competitors in my area (D6). If that's the =
case -
then there's likely a correlation between NSRCA membership and some =
NSRCA
activity. Dues increases might be the first thing to check, but not the =
only.
The advent of online information likely has had an impact on the thirst =
for the
K-Factor, for example. Like you say - the NSRCA provides the Nats and =
the
K-Factor, and I would add this forum, that provide obvious value. (The =
website
is a very strong and useful tool that is likely underutilized by the
membership.) But have the dues necessary to support the organization =
reached a
point where many feel the value doesn't meet the cost? =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So - I'm suggesting that we better understand the =
issues
affecting the "problem". Has membership dropped each time the =
dues
raise? Has membership fluctuated with the size / reliability of the =
K-Factor? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Has membership tracked with pattern activity? There =
are
probably others - some of which may not be easy to examine. Anyone =
passionate
enough about this to dig through the data and better define cause and =
effect?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com" =
title=3D"jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward,
Jim</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title=3D"nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
Wednesday, August
22, 2007 10:16 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] =
SinkingshipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi <ST1:PLACE =
u5:st=3D"on"><ST1:STATE u5:st=3D"on"><st1:State
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Del</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE></st1:place></st1:State>,<O:P></O:=
P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>I look at it like this =
–
nobody researches organizational leadership, determines which are good =
or bad,
then starts a sport or hobby because the orchestrating organization is =
to their
liking.  If someone wanted to bowl they would not intuitively look =
to the
Professional Bowlers Association, then go to the local alley and take a
lesson.  If a newcomer to pattern has a negative opinion of the =
NSRCA then
it is 99.9% certain that a current or former NSRCA member put that =
thought in
their head.  I also do not believe that people “quit” =
or drop
out of pattern because of the NSRCA.  The NSRCA does not build your =
planes,
tune your motor, pack your ice-chest, or get your pattern-buddy =
motivated to go
to the next contest with you – that is all “people” =
stuff and
we are the people.  However the NSRCA does facilitate a huge number =
of
things that unite our sport across the country – all of which are =
totally
unknown to newcomers probably and are not a big deal to them.  Like =
the
NSRCA or not – who cares???  The real deal should be whether =
or not
you enjoy flying your pattern plane in competitions – and if so go =
and
compete…<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>I happen to think that =
if you
just think about growing pattern, then NSRCA growth will follow to a =
large
percentage.  You (read as you, I, and others) grow the sport by =
being
around the other R/C guys in your area and getting to know them one on
one.  Interest in our part of the sport will be there or it
won’t.  If it is, then try to cultivate it.  We =
can’t
drag people into this, but we can offer insight, help, and the
“rewards” of flying precision aerobatics.  There is =
also a
percentage of current pilots that will cross-over from IMAC or Jets if =
they are
interested, but need a nudge in this direction.  Its hard for =
current
R/C’ers to make the jump if they have never flown a pattern plane =
or at
least seen some pattern videos.  Thank goodness for the D4 website =
which is
now posting some of the 2007 Nationals flight videos – THANK YOU
D4!  I have enjoyed watching them.  =
<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>If we want the sport to =
grow as
well as the NSRCA then we need to get out and shake some hands and loan
airplanes or buddy cord up.  I support the NSRCA 100% but the NSRCA =
does
not give me anything that I truly enjoy from the hobby (accept for the
Nationals and K-Factor) – this is provided by the friends =
I’ve made
and my own pursuit of a perfect sequence.  =
<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>Thanks,<O:P></O:P></span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><ST1:PERSONNAME u5:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</ST1:PERSONNA=
ME>
w.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>From:</span></=
font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org =
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>twtaylor<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August =
22, 2007
11:16 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">NSRCA
Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME>'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[NSRCA-discussion]
Sinking =
shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:=
p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>So we agree =
there’s a
problem. How do we fix it? Lets throw some idea’s out =
there.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>Pattern primers are/have =
been
successful in the past maybe we need =
more?<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>Personally my club will =
not
allow me to have any type contest at our field much less a Pattern =
contest.
When I brought it up I was soundly beat around the head and shoulders =
about the
where we fly our patterns and the club felt it would upset the =
neighbors. IMHO
my club is a bunch of Sunday fliers that don’t want to put forth =
the
effort. We do have some new blood coming in that might change the way =
our club
operates. It will take a major change in club officers to do it. Only =
problem
is we have a self imposed 400’ ceiling. =
   <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold=
'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</ST1:PERSONNAME>
[mailto:<ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</ST1:PERSONNAME>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Del K. =
Rykert<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August =
22, 2007
10:56 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">NSRCA
Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[NSRCA-discussion]
Sinking ship =
Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'</span></font><O:P></O:P><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><O:P></O:P>I suspect is mostly =
because of
lack of support or don't have the resources/time or health to =
commit to
office. What I haven't seen is a change in the numbers no matter how =
positive
the attitudes are of the officers and leaders. A few years ago when I =
tried to
bring up the perception of a known problem in my mind I was told to be =
quiet as
we are making changes and things will improve.  That was years =
ago.. 
How many more years will it take? I still see a continuing decline =
with
some insisting it is only a local thing thinking as their area/district =
is
growing so therefore no problem.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>If I don't see a change to the positive I have to =
assume the
efforts on everyone's part hasn't truly addressed the issues. I fully =
realize
all about "</span></font><em><i><font size=3D2 color=3Dmaroon =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:maroon'>assuming</span>=
</font></i></em><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>". So if the true goal is to draw new blood and =
grow the
ranks then the efforts have to be shifted to focus the few resources the
organization does have to focus more efforts to draw the new =
blood. If the
advertisers were truly onboard they would be there year after =
year..  Not
need further enticements to return to placing an =
ad. </span></font><O:P></O:P><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><u><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>None of my =
comments are
meant to infer all the efforts of all parties hasn't been commendable in =
their
efforts to address the problem. The results are what I still
feel need to be addressed. Survey the potential wannabes. If no =
wannabe
exist then we are left with what we =
have.</span></font></u><O:P></O:P><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>  &nbsp=
;</span></font><em><i><font
size=3D2 color=3Dmaroon face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:maroon'> <ST1:PLACE u5:st=3D"on"><ST1:STATE =
u5:st=3D"on"><st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 =
w:st=3D"on">Del</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE></st1:place></st1:State> &nbs=
p;  </span></font></i></em><O:P></O:P><font
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style=3D'font-size:
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color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href=3D"mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com" =
title=3D"patternrules@yahoo.com">Steven Maxwell</a>
<O:P></O:P></span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'=
>To:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title=3D"nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> =
<O:P></O:P></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'=
>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:40 =
AM<O:P></O:P></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'=
>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sinking ship Syndrome?
Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'<O:P></O:P></span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><O:P></O:P> Have to agree =
with John
and Mike on this, this adminstation has only been in office a few months =
and
nothing happens over night.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> The other thing I always =
see is
people with ideas but never see there name on a ballet if people are =
really
want to make a difference and they have all the better ways why do we =
see
unopposed ballets.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Steve Maxwell<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style=3D'font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>mike mueller
<mups1953@yahoo.com></span></i></b> =
wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Very well stated JLK. I =
have been in
pattern for a very longtime and I can tell you that the leaders we =
have
right now are taking us in a positive direction. I have a lot of faith =
in them.
It will take some patience but I think there are a lot of =
positive things
in place.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> This forum is an open =
discussion of
ideas and thoughts some are agreeable some are not. Either way its it =
important
that everyone be heard. If there's a new concept that has merit then in =
time
the group will adopt it.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> The biggest problem that I =
see with
our sport is the lack of younger people getting in. We need new blood
ASAP.        Mike<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style=3D'font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>John Konneker =
<jlkonn@hotmail.com></span></i></b>
wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If I may.<br>
As a lot of you know I am the ad manager for the K-Factor.<br>
It is my goal to bring enough advertisers on board to make the K-Factor =
self <br>
supporting.<br>
I believe that goal is achievable.<br>
I just prepared the invoicing for the July issue and total billings, =
month <br>
to month, are increasing.<br>
We have a great bunch of advertisers already that have been very =
supportive <br>
of the NSRCA.<br>
Please support them whenever you can.<br>
I contact potential advertisers all the time.<br>
If you have any you'd like to suggest please let me know.<br>
If you have personal contact with any and think you can get them =
interested, <br>
by all means talk to them.<br>
Ron Davies is doing a great job as treasurer and reports on the NSRCA =
<br>
finances every month in his K-Factor column.<br>
Through these reports you can see it's not just members dues that =
generate <br>
the operating income of the NSRCA.<br>
As an aside I flew the Nats this year.<br>
Derek invited me to the NSRCA board meeting held on Tuesday night.<br>
I had been out of RC since the late '80s and only started pattern again =
last <br>
year.<br>
I can't tell you how impressed I was with the officers.<br>
Everyone, without exception, has the advancement of pattern in their =
hearts.<br>
Everyone, without exception, was positive in their attitude.<br>
There were no hidden agendas.<br>
No "us" vs "them".<br>
>From Derek on down we have a great bunch!<br>
JLK<br>
<br>
<br>
>From: "Del K. Rykert" <br>
<DRYKERT2@ROCHESTER.RR.COM>>Reply-To: <ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">NSRCA
Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME> <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>To: "<ST1:PERSONNAME =
u5:st=3D"on">NSRCA
Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME>" <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] =
Sinking ship
Syndrome? Please <br>
>review'NSRCAMembers'<br>
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:51:54 -0400<br>
><br>
>I truly hear you message loud and clear John. Do you have any =
further <br>
>suggestions, as many don't want to look at some of the changes that =
have <br>
>been proposed? I know it has been discussed on the list to degree of =
<br>
>making some just deleting post without even reading them. Either =
they don't
<br>
>care or don't want to hear it. Hate to be so sinister to assume they =
want <br>
>to see the NSRCA fail. <TIC>I hope.<br>
><br>
> <ST1:PLACE u5:st=3D"on"><ST1:STATE u5:st=3D"on"><st1:State =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">Del</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE></st1:place></st1:State><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: John Gayer<br>
> To: <ST1:PERSONNAME u5:st=3D"on">NSRCA Mailing =
List</ST1:PERSONNAME><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:51 PM<br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Please review 'NSRCAMembers'<br>
><br>
><br>
> The attached Chart is based on numbers on the NSRCA website and the =
<br>
>treasurer's report in the latest K-Factor. If the membership =
continues to <br>
>reject any thoughts or proposals that might help, I see this =
downward slide
<br>
> continuing. We are currently on the verge of being unable to afford =
<br>
>producing the K-Factor which is about the only reason to stay =
on.<br>
><br>
> I tried to post this several days ago with an inline chart but the =
size <br>
>was 4K oversize for the list parameters. It's been awaiting approval =
of the
<br>
>moderator.<br>
><br>
> John Gayer<br>
> NSRCA 632<br>
><br>
><br>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Moody friends. Drama queens. Your =
life?
Nope! - their life, your story.<br>
<a =
href=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D48224/*http:/sims.yahoo.com/">Play =
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href=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D48252/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/mobile=
web/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC">mobile
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