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<DIV><EM>Well , I don't really believe anyone should be getting offended off a
statement, if its not directly to them.</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>The Sportsman who said that,his statement. It was kind of uncalled
for. He was a little to angry over something that isn't even that
big.</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Like I said</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>"One right answer won't stop half the population from having an
opinion"</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Matt</EM></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del
K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibilityin classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next
season</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I agree Ron.. Some don't
realize how passionate some are with their views and feel their opinions
deserve the same recognition that others who have been around since dirt was
created <vbg>. It is a shame for certain.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Ron Van Putte" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vanputte@cox.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:31
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility
in classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next
season</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>I look on this situation as one in which a guy who was
seriously <BR>> interested in Pattern development went "off the deep
end" because he <BR>> perceived that his ideas were totally
rejected. What a #$@! shame! <BR>> I don't know him, but
he obviously cared a lot about what he wrote.<BR>> <BR>> Ron Van
Putte<BR>> <BR>> On Aug 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Gene Maurice
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Somebody needs a little more fiber in their diet.
:<)<BR>>><BR>>> Gene Maurice<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:gene.mauirce@sgmservice.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>gene.mauirce@sgmservice.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> Plano, Texas<BR>>> AMA 3408 NSRCA 877<BR>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Fred <BR>>> Huber<BR>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:41
PM<BR>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in<BR>>>
classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next
season<BR>>><BR>>> Be elitist<BR>>><BR>>> Masters know
everything<BR>>><BR>>> no one else's opinions are worth a
crap<BR>>><BR>>> Doesn't matter that I;ve been flying RC 30
years<BR>>><BR>>> Doesn't matter that I've been building with
balsa since I was 7 and <BR>>> my FIRST<BR>>><BR>>>
HOME DESIGNED PLANE flew just fine... when I was 10<BR>>><BR>>> I
know nothing<BR>>><BR>>> I'm "Just a
Sportsman"<BR>>><BR>>> bye<BR>>><BR>>> Cancel my NSRCA
membership<BR>>><BR>>> I won't be at the nexst
contest<BR>>><BR>>> I won't be helping at the next local contest
(which I have been <BR>>> doing every<BR>>> year I have been
in the local club.)<BR>>><BR>>> I won't support Pattern any more
in any way.<BR>>><BR>>> And... I'll have my name pulled from this
e-mail list before you can<BR>>> answer... AND DON'T e-mail "back
channel.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: "Matthew Frederick" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mjfrederick@cox.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:27 PM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class<BR>>>
selection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next
season<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> Glen didn't write that, George
did. George is an intermediate <BR>>>> pilot. He
is<BR>>>> in no way an elitist, but he is just as offended by the
sandbagging<BR>>>> comment<BR>>>> as everyone else who knows
Arch and Glen. It has nothing to do with<BR>>>> "political
correctness" like Fred tried to say. It has more to do <BR>>>>
with how<BR>>>> difficult it is to get your point across if you're
trying to speak <BR>>>> through<BR>>><BR>>>>
a<BR>>>> size 11 Nike. (Foot in mouth for those having trouble with
that).<BR>>>><BR>>>> Matt<BR>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>> From: "Pete Cosky" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pcosky@comcast.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pcosky@comcast.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:49
PM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
class<BR>>>> selection? -->Personal dilemma, what to do next
season<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>> I don't fly
masters but I'll be pissed if you let some newbie<BR>>>>>>
Sportsman's<BR>>>>>> comments keep you from defending your
Masters National <BR>>>>>> Championship.
<<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Glen,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> I am sure you didn't mean
anything by it, but comments like that <BR>>>>>
cause<BR>>>>> people to think that pattern pilots are elitists. I
don't care who a<BR>>>>> person<BR>>>>> is or if they
even fly pattern at all; everyone is entitled to their<BR>>>>>
opinion. I do not agree with Fred, but I sure will let him
<BR>>>>> express his<BR>>>>> opinion without casting
dispersions on him or his current
class.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> We want to not only keep the
people we have, including sportsman, <BR>>>>>
but<BR>>>>> attract new blood and in my opinion making comments
like the one <BR>>>>> above<BR>>>>>
does<BR>>>>> nothing to help the
sport.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Just my
opinion.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Pete<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:glmiller3@suddenlink.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007
2:00<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
class <BR>>>>> selection? --><BR>>>>>
Personal dilemma, what to do next
season<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Glen,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I don't fly masters but
I'll be pissed if you let some newbie<BR>>>>>>
Sportsman's<BR>>>>>> comments keep you from defending your
Masters National <BR>>>>>> Championship.
I<BR>>>>>> love watching you fly and frankly, I hope that
you'll still be in<BR>>>>>> Masters<BR>>>>>>
when and/or if I ever get there to fly against
you.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I've deleted several
messages before I sent them to this thread <BR>>>>>>
because<BR>>>>>> I<BR>>>>>> didn't want to add
fuel to the fire, but I'm really tired of people<BR>>>>>>
trying<BR>>>>>> to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Masters is the top of the AMA<BR>>>>>> pyramid and FAI is the
international competition. There isn't a <BR>>>>>>
real<BR>>>>>> problem with people sandbagging - at least none
that I've seen <BR>>>>>> in D6<BR>>>>>>
this<BR>>>>>> year. So lets get over this and get on with
having fun!<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I don't see any of
the guys that you are actually competing <BR>>>>>>
against that<BR>>>>>> have a problem with you defending your
title! If you want to go <BR>>>>>>
FAI,<BR>>>>>> then<BR>>>>>> please do, but make
it your decision and of course you can <BR>>>>>> always
fly<BR>>>>>> Masters AND FAI at different
contests.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> On a different note,
if your cruise gets rained out by the <BR>>>>>> storms
headed<BR>>>>>> for the Gulf- I hope that you'll make it over
to our contest<G>!<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
George<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> ---- Glen Watson
<</FONT><A href="mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>gwatson11@houston.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> Wow -- this thread and others has become
very personal and <BR>>>>>>> packed
with<BR>>>>>>> emotionally based
comments.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> My recent
success at the NATS has become bitter-sweet full of
<BR>>>>>>> highs and<BR>>>>>>>
lows<BR>>>>>>> on what I should do next. The rules
state that I can return to <BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>> NATS<BR>>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>>> defend my National Championship if I so
desire. I'm asking <BR>>>>>>> myself
is<BR>>>>>>> that<BR>>>>>>> such a bad
thing. Well a few have voiced their opinions that
<BR>>>>>>> it would<BR>>>>>>>
be.<BR>>>>>>> I'm wondering if that is a personal feeling or
are they <BR>>>>>>> thinking
what's<BR>>>>>>> good<BR>>>>>>> for the
pattern community as a
whole?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> My goals for
the sport are simple. First to have fun competing,
<BR>>>>>>> this<BR>>>>>>> includes giving
back to the sport in some manner. Second is to
<BR>>>>>>> be as<BR>>>>>>> competitive as
I can.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Giving back
falls in a couple of categories:<BR>>>>>>> 1) Sharing my
knowledge and experience with others to help them
<BR>>>>>>> have<BR>>>>>>>
fun<BR>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>> be competitive
in this sport.<BR>>>>>>> 2) Work with equipment
supplier/manufacture to develop and promote<BR>>>>>>>
their<BR>>>>>>> product offerings to the pattern community
for us to enjoy.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> The
question I ask myself is can I do both if I move to FAI?
<BR>>>>>>> The short<BR>>>>>>> answer is
yes, however what influence would I have if I was a
<BR>>>>>>> middle of<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>> pack FAI competitor? IMHO top level
Masters competitors should <BR>>>>>>>
have<BR>>>>>>> influence on equipments trends. Here in
the US we are <BR>>>>>>> fortunate
to<BR>>>>>>> have<BR>>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>>> large group of national level competitors who
would benefit <BR>>>>>>> from
having<BR>>>>>>> more<BR>>>>>>> options
and diversity in their equipment choices. From my
vantage<BR>>>>>>> point<BR>>>>>>>
currently only the top FAI class flyers world wide have the
most<BR>>>>>>> influence<BR>>>>>>> over
the market.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Many of us
(me included) buy the exact equipment the top FAI<BR>>>>>>>
competitors<BR>>>>>>> use<BR>>>>>>> to win
their respective National events or the Worlds. I feel
<BR>>>>>>> there is<BR>>>>>>>
an<BR>>>>>>> opportunity for the top US Masters competitors
to have a similar<BR>>>>>>>
effect.<BR>>>>>>> A<BR>>>>>>> good example
of this is the collaboration between Hester and
<BR>>>>>>> Stafford.<BR>>>>>>>
Many<BR>>>>>>> will benefit from having an obtainable design
manufactured here <BR>>>>>>> in
the<BR>>>>>>> US<BR>>>>>>> that's
competitive against any of the foreign import designs
<BR>>>>>>> especially<BR>>>>>>>
at<BR>>>>>>> the Masters
level.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> My decision on
what to do next season is still pending. If I
<BR>>>>>>> choose to<BR>>>>>>> return to
Masters next season I asked not to be viewed as a
<BR>>>>>>> sandbagger<BR>>>>>>>
but<BR>>>>>>> as one who is for bettering the quality and
enjoyment of the <BR>>>>>>>
sport.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
~Glen<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>>>>>> From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
<BR>>>>>>> Mike<BR>>>>>>>
Hester<BR>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:01
AM<BR>>>>>>> To: NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class <BR>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Well, I'm
about to go out the door and do that novel thing we
call<BR>>>>>>> "flying"<BR>>>>>>> (instead
of typing). So, I'll be brief for
now.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> You just
blatantly called Arch Stafford a "sandbagger" because
<BR>>>>>>> he said<BR>>>>>>>
his<BR>>>>>>> goal was to win the nats in masters. You're
right that it may <BR>>>>>>> or
may<BR>>>>>>> not<BR>>>>>>> ever happen,
and he knows this all too well. You need practice,
<BR>>>>>>> skill,<BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>> proper equipment, coaching, and good old
fashioned luck. He's <BR>>>>>>>
certainly<BR>>>>>>> capable of
it.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Arch is right
where he belongs, whether you like it or not, and
<BR>>>>>>> whether<BR>>>>>>>
you<BR>>>>>>> agree or not. Have you ever seen him fly? I
have, and he's a <BR>>>>>>>
masters<BR>>>>>>> pilot.<BR>>>>>>> One of
the best. he got there by many many years of hard work
and<BR>>>>>>> paying<BR>>>>>>>
his<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> dues. Yep he could
fly FAI if he chose to, but to fly FAI on a <BR>>>>>>>
national<BR>>>>>>> level requires a LOT of time that most
people simply don't <BR>>>>>>> have.
You<BR>>>>>>> can't<BR>>>>>>> appreciate
the difference until you try it yourself, in
<BR>>>>>>> competition,<BR>>>>>>>
not<BR>>>>>>> at<BR>>>>>>> the practice
field. it's DIFFERENT. The scoring is different,
the<BR>>>>>>> manuevers<BR>>>>>>> are
different, etc.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Like
it or not, masters IS a destination class and I am almost
<BR>>>>>>> 100%<BR>>>>>>>
positive<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> that will not
change. I also believe it should stay this way.
<BR>>>>>>> FAI is a<BR>>>>>>> choice, and
I like choices. I don't hear any MASTERS pilots
<BR>>>>>>> complaining<BR>>>>>>> about
Arch or Glen or ?????? No, they like the competition, and
<BR>>>>>>> they<BR>>>>>>>
like<BR>>>>>>> them as
people.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Arch is a
friend of mine and I sponsor him. There's a reason
<BR>>>>>>> for that.<BR>>>>>>>
I'd<BR>>>>>>> break my back to help that guy, why? Because
he'd do...and <BR>>>>>>>
does...the<BR>>>>>>> same<BR>>>>>>> for
me, or anybody else. Calling any masters pilot a sandbagger
is<BR>>>>>>> unproductive, provocative and uncalled for.
When their life and <BR>>>>>>>
thier<BR>>>>>>> own<BR>>>>>>> goals
dictate the decision to move into FAI, let THEM make
that<BR>>>>>>> decision.<BR>>>>>>> You
want to kill pattern for good? Make long time masters
<BR>>>>>>> pilots have<BR>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>> move into FAI. It ain't gonna
work.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
-Mike<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>>>>> From: "Fred Huber" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>fhhuber@clearwire.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:19
PM<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class <BR>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Well...<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> He is
the one who proclaimed that he was going to stay in the
<BR>>>>>>>> class<BR>>>>>>>>
until<BR>>>>>>>> he<BR>>>>>>>> won a
particular event... which how many people have EVER
<BR>>>>>>>> won?
Out<BR>>>>>>>> of<BR>>>>>>>>
how<BR>>>>>>>> many who have
competed?<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Sorry... the world does not owe anyone any particular
trophy.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> You
say he's second best... maybe thats the best he ever
gets.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> Every
other competitor who goes to the NATS and flys in
<BR>>>>>>>> Masters wants<BR>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>> be<BR>>>>>>>> the best
too. Most will NEVER make
it.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> Most would
be damn glad to be called second best in this
sport...<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Reality is not politically
correct.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> This
is not the special olympics where everyone gets the same
<BR>>>>>>>> trophy:<BR>>>>>>>>
"Participant"<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Matthew
Frederick" <</FONT><A href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mjfrederick@cox.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007
8:17 PM<BR>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class <BR>>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Fred,<BR>>>>>>>>> The person who made the comment
about not moving up until <BR>>>>>>>>>
winning<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>
Nats<BR>>>>>>>>> was Arch Stafford. He's a very nice
guy, and according to the <BR>>>>>>>>>
Nats<BR>>>>>>>>>
finish<BR>>>>>>>>> this year, he's probably the
second-best Masters pilot in the<BR>>>>>>>>>
nation.<BR>>>>>>>>>
He<BR>>>>>>>>> wants to be the best before he moves up
to F3A, it's a <BR>>>>>>>>> personal
goal<BR>>>>>>>>>
he<BR>>>>>>>>> has<BR>>>>>>>>>
set and well within the bounds of the rules. Having met Arch,
<BR>>>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>>>>
knowing<BR>>>>>>>>> what a decent guy he is, I frankly
take offense at you blatantly<BR>>>>>>>>>
calling<BR>>>>>>>>>
him<BR>>>>>>>>> out as a sandbagger. I don't know one
person who flys Masters <BR>>>>>>>>> in
D6<BR>>>>>>>>> who<BR>>>>>>>>>
would call him that, and those are the people he competes
<BR>>>>>>>>> with on
a<BR>>>>>>>>>
regular<BR>>>>>>>>> basis... There is currently no
relevant points accumulation in<BR>>>>>>>>>
Masters<BR>>>>>>>>>
other<BR>>>>>>>>> than for district championships as
it is the highest level of <BR>>>>>>>>>
AMA<BR>>>>>>>>>
Pattern.<BR>>>>>>>>>
I<BR>>>>>>>>> completely agree with the point someone
else made that stated we<BR>>>>>>>>>
should<BR>>>>>>>>>
not<BR>>>>>>>>> force someone to a level of
competition that is out of the <BR>>>>>>>>>
control<BR>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>> the<BR>>>>>>>>>
AMA Competition Regs. If I were ever in a situation that
<BR>>>>>>>>> forced
me<BR>>>>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>>>>>
move<BR>>>>>>>>> into F3A competition, I'd probably
stop flying pattern. Full<BR>>>>>>>>>
turnaround<BR>>>>>>>>> patterns was a hard enough pill
to swallow. F3A has too many<BR>>>>>>>>>
maneuvers<BR>>>>>>>>>
that,<BR>>>>>>>>> while very beautiful when performed
well, I don't personally<BR>>>>>>>>>
consider<BR>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>> be<BR>>>>>>>>>
precision aerobatics. Snaps and spins are enough of a
stretch.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Matt<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>> From: "Fred
Huber" <</FONT><A href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>fhhuber@clearwire.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15,
2007 6:56 PM<BR>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
<BR>>>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
No sour grapes here about not being able to win... I don't
<BR>>>>>>>>>>
ever<BR>>>>>>>>>>
expect<BR>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>> accumulate the points needed to
force advancement from <BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sportsman.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
The<BR>>>>>>>>>> hand-eye coordination just isn't
there.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's
<BR>>>>>>>>>> only
2<BR>>>>>>>>>>
others<BR>>>>>>>>>> flying. I'm just in
Pattern for the flight discipline...
<BR>>>>>>>>>> and to
be<BR>>>>>>>>>>
around<BR>>>>>>>>>> people who can help me quit
breaking
airplanes.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
I will probably move to Intermediate next year.. becaue I
have<BR>>>>>>>>>>
learned<BR>>>>>>>>>> almost as much as I can from
the Sportman sequence.... I'll <BR>>>>>>>>>>
place<BR>>>>>>>>>>
DEAD<BR>>>>>>>>>>
LAST<BR>>>>>>>>>> FOREVER. I'll fly at the
NATS in about 3 or 4 years
too.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
I do see the hypocracy of people complaining about not
being<BR>>>>>>>>>>
competitive<BR>>>>>>>>>>
if<BR>>>>>>>>>> they move up... and sitting firmly
in the lower class for <BR>>>>>>>>>> years
so<BR>>>>>>>>>>
they<BR>>>>>>>>>>
can<BR>>>>>>>>>> always
win...<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
"I won't move up until I WIN the NATS" is why they came up
<BR>>>>>>>>>> with
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
point<BR>>>>>>>>>> system to force people to move
up... sandbagger. (not even<BR>>>>>>>>>>
bothering<BR>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>> look up who made the referenced
post...)<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's
<BR>>>>>>>>>> only
2<BR>>>>>>>>>>
others<BR>>>>>>>>>>
flying.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
I take offense at rules that are
unfair.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
I take offense at people who revise the rules to suit
thier<BR>>>>>>>>>>
personal<BR>>>>>>>>>>
agendas.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>>> From:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>seefo@san.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August
15, 2007 5:40 PM<BR>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
class<BR>>>>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
I know
Glen.<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
My question was more rhetorical than anything else, and I
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
really<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
just<BR>>>>>>>>>>> put it out there to try to
clarify the issue. There seems
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> to be
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>> division amongst people who want
Masters to be that <BR>>>>>>>>>>> stepping
stone<BR>>>>>>>>>>> class verses those who want
Masters to be a destination all by<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
itself<BR>>>>>>>>>>> (which it currently
is).<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
I do think the idea of a progression rule whereby a pilot
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> who
does<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
not<BR>>>>>>>>>>> meet a given criteria has the
option of moving down. I <BR>>>>>>>>>>>
personally<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
like<BR>>>>>>>>>>> the 'qualification' bar idea.
For example, a pilot moves up to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Masters<BR>>>>>>>>>>> from Advanced. In their
1st contest, if they are unable to
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
achieve<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
an<BR>>>>>>>>>>> AVERAGE normalized score of at
least 800, they are given the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
option<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>> moving back to Advanced. The
800 number is arbitrary and <BR>>>>>>>>>>>
used for<BR>>>>>>>>>>> example
only.<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
I guess my biggest problem with these threads, is they give
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> me
a<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
big<BR>>>>>>>>>>> sense of sour grapes from
people as I read them talk <BR>>>>>>>>>>>
continually<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
about<BR>>>>>>>>>>> not being able to win. Last
I checked this was competition,
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> and
if<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
you<BR>>>>>>>>>>> want to win, you perfect your
own flying until you can do it<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
better<BR>>>>>>>>>>> than everyone else. You
don't tell the guy beating you to
<BR>>>>>>>>>>> go
play<BR>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else so you can
feel good about
yourself.<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Of course I could be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the
1st<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
time.<BR>>>>>>>>>>> (just ask my
wife)<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
-Doug<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>>>>> From:
Glen Watson <</FONT><A href="mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>gwatson11@houston.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday,
August 15, 2007 3:24 pm<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
class<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
selection?<BR>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing
List' <</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
There is no mandatory advancement from
Masters...<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
The following was copied from the current AMA
rulebook...<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
8.2.5. There is no mandatory advancement into FAI from
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Masters<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> class.Contestants may
enter their current AMA class or the
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
FAI<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> class at
any<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> contest but not
both.<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
~Glen<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From: </FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
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face=Arial size=2>>>>>>>>>>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On
<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
Of<BR>>>>>>>>>>>> </FONT><A
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size=2>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August
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class<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
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It seems to me the real question that must be answered
(yet<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
again)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
is:<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
Is Masters a destination class or
not?<BR>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Doug<BR>>>>>>>>>>>>
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