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<DIV>Is this a joke or it is a real guy? </DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Claude Weimer" <cweimer@tconl.com> <BR><BR>> Man, a volatile guy. <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Fred Huber <BR>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:41 PM <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in <BR>> classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next season <BR>> <BR>> Be elitist <BR>> <BR>> Masters know everything <BR>> <BR>> no one else's opinions are worth a crap <BR>> <BR>> Doesn't matter that I;ve been flying RC 30 years <BR>> <BR>> Doesn't matter that I've been building with balsa since I was 7 and my FIRST <BR>> <BR>> HOME DESIGNED PLANE flew just fine... when I was 10 <BR>> <BR>>
I know nothing <BR>> <BR>> I'm "Just a Sportsman" <BR>> <BR>> bye <BR>> <BR>> Cancel my NSRCA membership <BR>> <BR>> I won't be at the nexst contest <BR>> <BR>> I won't be helping at the next local contest (which I have been doing every <BR>> year I have been in the local club.) <BR>> <BR>> I won't support Pattern any more in any way. <BR>> <BR>> And... I'll have my name pulled from this e-mail list before you can <BR>> answer... AND DON'T e-mail "back channel. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Matthew Frederick" <MJFREDERICK@COX.NET><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:27 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class <BR>> selection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next season <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Glen didn't write that, George did. George is an intermediate pilot. He is <BR>> >
; in no way an elitist, but he is just as offended by the sandbagging <BR>> > comment <BR>> > as everyone else who knows Arch and Glen. It has nothing to do with <BR>> > "political correctness" like Fred tried to say. It has more to do with how <BR>> > difficult it is to get your point across if you're trying to speak through <BR>> <BR>> > a <BR>> > size 11 Nike. (Foot in mouth for those having trouble with that). <BR>> > <BR>> > Matt <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Pete Cosky" <PCOSKY@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:49 PM <BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class <BR>> > selection? -->Personal dilemma, what to do next season <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >> >I don't fly masters but I'll be pissed if you let some newbie <BR>> >> >Sport
sman's <BR>> >>>comments keep you from defending your Masters National Championship. < <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Glen, <BR>> >> <BR>> >> I am sure you didn't mean anything by it, but comments like that cause <BR>> >> people to think that pattern pilots are elitists. I don't care who a <BR>> >> person <BR>> >> is or if they even fly pattern at all; everyone is entitled to their <BR>> >> opinion. I do not agree with Fred, but I sure will let him express his <BR>> >> opinion without casting dispersions on him or his current class. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> We want to not only keep the people we have, including sportsman, but <BR>> >> attract new blood and in my opinion making comments like the one above <BR>> >> does <BR>> >> nothing to help the sport. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Just my opinion. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Pete <BR>> >>
<BR>> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >> From: <GLMILLER3@SUDDENLINK.NET><BR>> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:00 <BR>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? --> <BR>> >> Personal dilemma, what to do next season <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >>> Glen, <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I don't fly masters but I'll be pissed if you let some newbie <BR>> >>> Sportsman's <BR>> >>> comments keep you from defending your Masters National Championship. I <BR>> >>> love watching you fly and frankly, I hope that you'll still be in <BR>> >>> Masters <BR>> >>> when and/or if I ever get there to fly against you. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I've deleted several messages before I sent them to this thread because <BR>>
>>> I <BR>> >>> didn't want to add fuel to the fire, but I'm really tired of people <BR>> >>> trying <BR>> >>> to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Masters is the top of the AMA <BR>> >>> pyramid and FAI is the international competition. There isn't a real <BR>> >>> problem with people sandbagging - at least none that I've seen in D6 <BR>> >>> this <BR>> >>> year. So lets get over this and get on with having fun! <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I don't see any of the guys that you are actually competing against that <BR>> >>> have a problem with you defending your title! If you want to go FAI, <BR>> >>> then <BR>> >>> please do, but make it your decision and of course you can always fly <BR>> >>> Masters AND FAI at different contests. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> On a different note, if your cruise gets rained out b
y the storms headed <BR>> >>> for the Gulf- I hope that you'll make it over to our contest<G>! <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> George <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> ---- Glen Watson <GWATSON11@HOUSTON.RR.COM>wrote: <BR>> >>>> Wow -- this thread and others has become very personal and packed with <BR>> >>>> emotionally based comments. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> My recent success at the NATS has become bitter-sweet full of highs and <BR>> >>>> lows <BR>> >>>> on what I should do next. The rules state that I can return to the <BR>> >>>> NATS <BR>> >>>> and <BR>> >>>> defend my National Championship if I so desire. I'm asking myself is <BR>> >>>> that <BR>> >>>> such a bad thing. Well a few have voiced their opinions that it would <BR>> >>>> be. <BR>> >>>> I'm wo
ndering if that is a personal feeling or are they thinking what's <BR>> >>>> good <BR>> >>>> for the pattern community as a whole? <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> My goals for the sport are simple. First to have fun competing, this <BR>> >>>> includes giving back to the sport in some manner. Second is to be as <BR>> >>>> competitive as I can. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Giving back falls in a couple of categories: <BR>> >>>> 1) Sharing my knowledge and experience with others to help them have <BR>> >>>> fun <BR>> >>>> and <BR>> >>>> be competitive in this sport. <BR>> >>>> 2) Work with equipment supplier/manufacture to develop and promote <BR>> >>>> their <BR>> >>>> product offerings to the pattern community for us to enjoy. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>>
The question I ask myself is can I do both if I move to FAI? The short <BR>> >>>> answer is yes, however what influence would I have if I was a middle of <BR>> >>>> the <BR>> >>>> pack FAI competitor? IMHO top level Masters competitors should have <BR>> >>>> influence on equipments trends. Here in the US we are fortunate to <BR>> >>>> have <BR>> >>>> a <BR>> >>>> large group of national level competitors who would benefit from having <BR>> >>>> more <BR>> >>>> options and diversity in their equipment choices. From my vantage <BR>> >>>> point <BR>> >>>> currently only the top FAI class flyers world wide have the most <BR>> >>>> influence <BR>> >>>> over the market. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Many of us (me included) buy the exact equipment the top FAI <BR>> >&g
t;>> competitors <BR>> >>>> use <BR>> >>>> to win their respective National events or the Worlds. I feel there is <BR>> >>>> an <BR>> >>>> opportunity for the top US Masters competitors to have a similar <BR>> >>>> effect. <BR>> >>>> A <BR>> >>>> good example of this is the collaboration between Hester and Stafford. <BR>> >>>> Many <BR>> >>>> will benefit from having an obtainable design manufactured here in the <BR>> >>>> US <BR>> >>>> that's competitive against any of the foreign import designs especially <BR>> >>>> at <BR>> >>>> the Masters level. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> My decision on what to do next season is still pending. If I choose to <BR>> >>>> return to Masters next season I asked not to be viewed as a sandbagger <BR>> >>&
gt;> but <BR>> >>>> as one who is for bettering the quality and enjoyment of the sport. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> ~Glen <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> >>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike <BR>> >>>> Hester <BR>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:01 AM <BR>> >>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Well, I'm about to go out the door and do that novel thing we call <BR>> >>>> "flying" <BR>> >>>> (instead of typing). So, I'll be brief for now. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> You just blatantly called Arch Staffo
rd a "sandbagger" because he said <BR>> >>>> his <BR>> >>>> goal was to win the nats in masters. You're right that it may or may <BR>> >>>> not <BR>> >>>> ever happen, and he knows this all too well. You need practice, skill, <BR>> >>>> the <BR>> >>>> proper equipment, coaching, and good old fashioned luck. He's certainly <BR>> >>>> capable of it. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Arch is right where he belongs, whether you like it or not, and whether <BR>> >>>> you <BR>> >>>> agree or not. Have you ever seen him fly? I have, and he's a masters <BR>> >>>> pilot. <BR>> >>>> One of the best. he got there by many many years of hard work and <BR>> >>>> paying <BR>> >>>> his <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> dues. Yep he could fly FAI if he chose to, but to fl
y FAI on a national <BR>> >>>> level requires a LOT of time that most people simply don't have. You <BR>> >>>> can't <BR>> >>>> appreciate the difference until you try it yourself, in competition, <BR>> >>>> not <BR>> >>>> at <BR>> >>>> the practice field. it's DIFFERENT. The scoring is different, the <BR>> >>>> manuevers <BR>> >>>> are different, etc. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Like it or not, masters IS a destination class and I am almost 100% <BR>> >>>> positive <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> that will not change. I also believe it should stay this way. FAI is a <BR>> >>>> choice, and I like choices. I don't hear any MASTERS pilots complaining <BR>> >>>> about Arch or Glen or ?????? No, they like the competition, and they <BR>> >>>> like <BR>> >>&g
t;> them as people. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> Arch is a friend of mine and I sponsor him. There's a reason for that. <BR>> >>>> I'd <BR>> >>>> break my back to help that guy, why? Because he'd do...and does...the <BR>> >>>> same <BR>> >>>> for me, or anybody else. Calling any masters pilot a sandbagger is <BR>> >>>> unproductive, provocative and uncalled for. When their life and thier <BR>> >>>> own <BR>> >>>> goals dictate the decision to move into FAI, let THEM make that <BR>> >>>> decision. <BR>> >>>> You want to kill pattern for good? Make long time masters pilots have <BR>> >>>> to <BR>> >>>> move into FAI. It ain't gonna work. <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> -Mike <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>>&
gt; From: "Fred Huber" <FHHUBER@CLEARWIRE.NET><BR>> >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:19 PM <BR>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> > Well... <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > He is the one who proclaimed that he was going to stay in the class <BR>> >>>> > until <BR>> >>>> > he <BR>> >>>> > won a particular event... which how many people have EVER won? Out <BR>> >>>> > of <BR>> >>>> > how <BR>> >>>> > many who have competed? <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > Sorry... the world does not owe anyone any particular trophy. <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > Yo
u say he's second best... maybe thats the best he ever gets. <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > Every other competitor who goes to the NATS and flys in Masters wants <BR>> >>>> > to <BR>> >>>> > be <BR>> >>>> > the best too. Most will NEVER make it. <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > Most would be damn glad to be called second best in this sport... <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > Reality is not politically correct. <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > This is not the special olympics where everyone gets the same trophy: <BR>> >>>> > "Participant" <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>>> > From: "Matthew Frederick" <MJFREDERICK@COX.NET><BR>> >>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR
>> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:17 PM <BR>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> > <BR>> >>>> >> Fred, <BR>> >>>> >> The person who made the comment about not moving up until winning <BR>> >>>> >> the <BR>> >>>> >> Nats <BR>> >>>> >> was Arch Stafford. He's a very nice guy, and according to the Nats <BR>> >>>> >> finish <BR>> >>>> >> this year, he's probably the second-best Masters pilot in the <BR>> >>>> >> nation. <BR>> >>>> >> He <BR>> >>>> >> wants to be the best before he moves up to F3A, it's a personal goal <BR>> >>>> >> he <BR>> >>>> >> has <BR>> >>>> >> set an
d well within the bounds of the rules. Having met Arch, and <BR>> >>>> >> knowing <BR>> >>>> >> what a decent guy he is, I frankly take offense at you blatantly <BR>> >>>> >> calling <BR>> >>>> >> him <BR>> >>>> >> out as a sandbagger. I don't know one person who flys Masters in D6 <BR>> >>>> >> who <BR>> >>>> >> would call him that, and those are the people he competes with on a <BR>> >>>> >> regular <BR>> >>>> >> basis... There is currently no relevant points accumulation in <BR>> >>>> >> Masters <BR>> >>>> >> other <BR>> >>>> >> than for district championships as it is the highest level of AMA <BR>> >>>> >> Pattern. <BR>> >>>> >> I <BR>> >>>> >> completely agree with th
e point someone else made that stated we <BR>> >>>> >> should <BR>> >>>> >> not <BR>> >>>> >> force someone to a level of competition that is out of the control <BR>> >>>> >> of <BR>> >>>> >> the <BR>> >>>> >> AMA Competition Regs. If I were ever in a situation that forced me <BR>> >>>> >> to <BR>> >>>> >> move <BR>> >>>> >> into F3A competition, I'd probably stop flying pattern. Full <BR>> >>>> >> turnaround <BR>> >>>> >> patterns was a hard enough pill to swallow. F3A has too many <BR>> >>>> >> maneuvers <BR>> >>>> >> that, <BR>> >>>> >> while very beautiful when performed well, I don't personally <BR>> >>>> >> consider <BR>> >>>> >> to <BR>> >
>>> >> be <BR>> >>>> >> precision aerobatics. Snaps and spins are enough of a stretch. <BR>> >>>> >> <BR>> >>>> >> Matt <BR>> >>>> >> <BR>> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>>> >> From: "Fred Huber" <FHHUBER@CLEARWIRE.NET><BR>> >>>> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:56 PM <BR>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? <BR>> >>>> >> <BR>> >>>> >> <BR>> >>>> >>> No sour grapes here about not being able to win... I don't ever <BR>> >>>> >>> expect <BR>> >>>> >>> to <BR>> >>>> >>> accumulate the points needed to force advancemen
t from Sportsman. <BR>> >>>> >>> The <BR>> >>>> >>> hand-eye coordination just isn't there. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's only 2 <BR>> >>>> >>> others <BR>> >>>> >>> flying. I'm just in Pattern for the flight discipline... and to be <BR>> >>>> >>> around <BR>> >>>> >>> people who can help me quit breaking airplanes. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> I will probably move to Intermediate next year.. becaue I have <BR>> >>>> >>> learned <BR>> >>>> >>> almost as much as I can from the Sportman sequence.... I'll place <BR>> >>>> >>> DEAD <BR>> >>>> >>> LAST <BR>> >>>> >>> FOREVE
R. I'll fly at the NATS in about 3 or 4 years too. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> I do see the hypocracy of people complaining about not being <BR>> >>>> >>> competitive <BR>> >>>> >>> if <BR>> >>>> >>> they move up... and sitting firmly in the lower class for years so <BR>> >>>> >>> they <BR>> >>>> >>> can <BR>> >>>> >>> always win... <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> "I won't move up until I WIN the NATS" is why they came up with the <BR>> >>>> >>> point <BR>> >>>> >>> system to force people to move up... sandbagger. (not even <BR>> >>>> >>> bothering <BR>> >>>> >>> to <BR>> >>>> >>> look up who made the referenced post...) <BR>>
; >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's only 2 <BR>> >>>> >>> others <BR>> >>>> >>> flying. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> I take offense at rules that are unfair. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> I take offense at people who revise the rules to suit thier <BR>> >>>> >>> personal <BR>> >>>> >>> agendas. <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>>> >>> From: <SEEFO@SAN.RR.COM><BR>> >>>> >>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:40 PM <BR>> >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discu
ssion] More flexibility in class <BR>> >>>> >>> selection? <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>I know Glen. <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> My question was more rhetorical than anything else, and I really <BR>> >>>> >>>> just <BR>> >>>> >>>> put it out there to try to clarify the issue. There seems to be a <BR>> >>>> >>>> division amongst people who want Masters to be that stepping stone <BR>> >>>> >>>> class verses those who want Masters to be a destination all by <BR>> >>>> >>>> itself <BR>> >>>> >>>> (which it currently is). <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> I do think the idea of a progression rule whereby a
pilot who does <BR>> >>>> >>>> not <BR>> >>>> >>>> meet a given criteria has the option of moving down. I personally <BR>> >>>> >>>> like <BR>> >>>> >>>> the 'qualification' bar idea. For example, a pilot moves up to <BR>> >>>> >>>> Masters <BR>> >>>> >>>> from Advanced. In their 1st contest, if they are unable to achieve <BR>> >>>> >>>> an <BR>> >>>> >>>> AVERAGE normalized score of at least 800, they are given the <BR>> >>>> >>>> option <BR>> >>>> >>>> of <BR>> >>>> >>>> moving back to Advanced. The 800 number is arbitrary and used for <BR>> >>>> >>>> example only. <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> I guess my b
iggest problem with these threads, is they give me a <BR>> >>>> >>>> big <BR>> >>>> >>>> sense of sour grapes from people as I read them talk continually <BR>> >>>> >>>> about <BR>> >>>> >>>> not being able to win. Last I checked this was competition, and if <BR>> >>>> >>>> you <BR>> >>>> >>>> want to win, you perfect your own flying until you can do it <BR>> >>>> >>>> better <BR>> >>>> >>>> than everyone else. You don't tell the guy beating you to go play <BR>> >>>> >>>> somewhere else so you can feel good about yourself. <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> Of course I could be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st <BR>> >>>> >>>> time. <BR>> >>>> &
gt;>>> (just ask my wife) <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> -Doug <BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>>> >>>> From: Glen Watson <GWATSON11@HOUSTON.RR.COM><BR>> >>>> >>>> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:24 pm <BR>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class <BR>> >>>> >>>> selection? <BR>> >>>> >>>> To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> >>>> >>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> There is no mandatory advancement from Masters... <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> The following was copied from the current AMA rulebook... <BR>> >>>> >>
>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> 8.2.5. There is no mandatory advancement into FAI from the <BR>> >>>> >>>>> Masters <BR>> >>>> >>>>> class.Contestants may enter their current AMA class or the FAI <BR>> >>>> >>>>> class at any <BR>> >>>> >>>>> contest but not both. <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> ~Glen <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> >>>> >>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >>>> >>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of <BR>> >>>> >>>>> seefo@san.rr.com <BR>> >>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:51 PM <BR>&g
t; >>>> >>>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class <BR>> >>>> >>>>> selection? <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> It seems to me the real question that must be answered (yet <BR>> >>>> >>>>> again) <BR>> >>>> >>>> is: <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> Is Masters a destination class or not? <BR>> >>>> >>>>> <BR>> >>>> >>>>> -Doug <BR>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> >>>> >>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list <BR>> >>>> >>>>> NSRCA-discussio
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