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To All<br>
<br>
If there hadn't so much time wasted on the "sandbagging in masters"
issue and a bit more time spent looking at the ideas Fred was
presenting, we might still have a member of NSRCA and the Pattern
community and some food for thought as well. Here are a few of his
recent posts. He clearly cares(cared) about the direction the NSRCA is
headed. You don't have to agree with his ideas but none of the posters
seem to be able to get over what was perceived as a personal attack on
one of your own. Fred's ideas deserved reasoned consideration, not
heaping portions of scorn.<br>
On the sandbagging issue, all Fred did was point out the
inconsistencies in Arch's reply to me, as did I. He did not focus on it
and spent most of his posts presenting ideas that should be carefully
considered.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
AMA 75102<br>
First Radio/Uncontrolled flight 1957<br>
Official member AARP<br>
<br>
<br>
Excerpts from Fred's posts<br>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==<br>
<font size="2">Any time that we do something to the AMA rules which
conflicts with FAI rules... all we are doing is causing the US's
team competing internationally to be at a disadvantage.<br>
</font>
<div><font size="2">Yes... if you look at it logicly... FAI Pattern
should be the destination, and all of the "AMA classes" should be
leading toward that. So... if it is supportable to have a system that
forces advancement from lower classes to Masters... its supportable to
have the same system apply in regard to Masters being forced up to FAI</font></div>
<div><font size="2">AMA made an error regarding scale competition long
ago... and increased weight and power (engine displacement) limits to
where planes that could win in AMA competitions were illegal to enter
in FAI... (sometimes bigger isn't better...)</font></div>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
<div><font size="2">My idea regarding the "Pointing out" needing
modification is a much more minor change...</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">At least make it take a minimum of 2 contests to
force advancement. Just one win in the only contest a guy has ever
flown in... can now mean thats the only contest the guy ever bothers
with.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">If you want to force people to move up rather than
"sandbagging"... fine. I would hardly call a guy winning ONCE and then
staying at the same level sandbagging.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">What happens if you get a "new crop" of Pattern
flyers... and the whole group flying Sportsman are at their first
contest.. and there's a dozen in the class? You want to force the top
3 in Sportsman at that contest up? <br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==<br>
</font>
<div><font size="2">Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern
flyers in the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system
forcing moving up.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end
up at a disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING
Pattern to the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in
Pattern. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">You can petition the AMA to require membership to
compete in Pattern (lead balloon) </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just deal with the paperwork involved in
handling the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just drop the point system totally.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join
NSRCA: Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ
awards.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active
members do all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.<br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
</font></div>
<br>
<pre wrap="">they don't call it competition because its easy...
But I would tend to agree that if there is a system that says people have to
move up... it should go all the way up and put FAI as the only destination.
You see the same guys in the D6 winner's circle in Masters every year for a
reeason... they never moved up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
</pre>
</div>
<br>
<pre wrap="">I take offense at rules that are unfair.
I take offense at people who revise the rules to suit thier personal
agendas.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
</pre>
<div><font size="2">Either "FAI" is an AMA Pattern contest class... or
it isn't.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">It either belongs in the skill progression
sequence... or it doesn't belong at the contests.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">If there is a point system for "encouraging" people
to move up from Sportsman (not considered an "official" class...) to
intermediate... then there should be a system to force the move from
Masters to FAI.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Be consistant.... or be shown that you are not.<br>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
</font>
<div><font size="2">There should be 2 primary goals</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Promotion of Pattern as a competitive event</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Preparation of pilots for international competition.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">In a nutshell...</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Build the team for the F3A World championship.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">You can't have a teem without competitors... so we
have to attract people to participate.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">You can't prepare the team for the international
event if you don't work to teach the rules of... and skills needed
for... the event.</font></div>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
<div><font size="2">If there is no support for the forcing move up from
Master to FAI</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">There can be no valid argument to force anyone to
ever move up from any class.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Either the rules should have a consistant
progression system... or no system to make the guy who likes taking st
place at advanced home every contest for 30 years. <br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
</font></div>
<br>
<pre wrap="">You can submit a rules change request for FAI... through the AMA.
There is a process.
AMA is the US's representative organization to the FAI
We EACH have as much say as any Pattern competitor in France, Germany,
Argentina... wherever.
We judge some things differently in AMA than in international FAI for one
reason... AMA is not being very bright. The AMA definitions should meet the
international ones.
ANY TIME THA AMA RULES DON'T AGREE WITH FAI.. all we are doing is making it
hard for US competitors to even TRY to compete internationally.
WE SHOULD have some of the premeir tems in all FAI events... Top 3 place
finishes across the board. We have the people with the skills...
But AMA goofed and has some rules that make some of our top competitor's
planes INELIGIBLE for international competition...
THAT WAS PURE STUPID
Somehow.. we managed to keep Pattern's lower class rules in line ENOUGH with
FAI that we haven't totally SCREWED our team...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
</pre>
<br>
<div><font size="2">We can either advance AMA Pattern with the rest of
the world (FAI)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Or we may as well create the "SPA-II": 1980 to 2005
AMA sequences and models only. Motto: FAI... go away.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Look up the 1959/60 Pattern rules... </font></div>
<div><font size="2">There had to be a lot of screaming when they
changed from THAT to doing the centered maneuver sequences of the
70's...<br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
</font></div>
<font size="2"><br>
<br>
</font></div>
<pre wrap="">
</pre>
Ron Van Putte wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid94917B5F-704F-4D90-9F2F-F27F9ABCB566@cox.net"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I look on this situation as one in which a guy who was seriously
interested in Pattern development went "off the deep end" because he
perceived that his ideas were totally rejected. What a #$@! shame!
I don't know him, but he obviously cared a lot about what he wrote.
Ron Van Putte
On Aug 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Gene Maurice wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Somebody needs a little more fiber in their diet. :<)
Gene Maurice
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gene.mauirce@sgmservice.com">gene.mauirce@sgmservice.com</a>
Plano, Texas
AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
-----Original Message-----
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Fred
Huber
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:41 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in
classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next season
Be elitist
Masters know everything
no one else's opinions are worth a crap
Doesn't matter that I;ve been flying RC 30 years
Doesn't matter that I've been building with balsa since I was 7 and
my FIRST
HOME DESIGNED PLANE flew just fine... when I was 10
I know nothing
I'm "Just a Sportsman"
bye
Cancel my NSRCA membership
I won't be at the nexst contest
I won't be helping at the next local contest (which I have been
doing every
year I have been in the local club.)
I won't support Pattern any more in any way.
And... I'll have my name pulled from this e-mail list before you can
answer... AND DON'T e-mail "back channel.
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Glen didn't write that, George did. George is an intermediate
pilot. He is
in no way an elitist, but he is just as offended by the sandbagging
comment
as everyone else who knows Arch and Glen. It has nothing to do with
"political correctness" like Fred tried to say. It has more to do
with how
difficult it is to get your point across if you're trying to speak
through
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">a
size 11 Nike. (Foot in mouth for those having trouble with that).
Matt
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I don't fly masters but I'll be pissed if you let some newbie
Sportsman's
comments keep you from defending your Masters National
Championship. <
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Glen,
I am sure you didn't mean anything by it, but comments like that
cause
people to think that pattern pilots are elitists. I don't care who a
person
is or if they even fly pattern at all; everyone is entitled to their
opinion. I do not agree with Fred, but I sure will let him
express his
opinion without casting dispersions on him or his current class.
We want to not only keep the people we have, including sportsman,
but
attract new blood and in my opinion making comments like the one
above
does
nothing to help the sport.
Just my opinion.
Pete
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Personal dilemma, what to do next season
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Glen,
I don't fly masters but I'll be pissed if you let some newbie
Sportsman's
comments keep you from defending your Masters National
Championship. I
love watching you fly and frankly, I hope that you'll still be in
Masters
when and/or if I ever get there to fly against you.
I've deleted several messages before I sent them to this thread
because
I
didn't want to add fuel to the fire, but I'm really tired of people
trying
to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Masters is the top of the AMA
pyramid and FAI is the international competition. There isn't a
real
problem with people sandbagging - at least none that I've seen
in D6
this
year. So lets get over this and get on with having fun!
I don't see any of the guys that you are actually competing
against that
have a problem with you defending your title! If you want to go
FAI,
then
please do, but make it your decision and of course you can
always fly
Masters AND FAI at different contests.
On a different note, if your cruise gets rained out by the
storms headed
for the Gulf- I hope that you'll make it over to our contest<G>!
George
---- Glen Watson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com"><gwatson11@houston.rr.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Wow -- this thread and others has become very personal and
packed with
emotionally based comments.
My recent success at the NATS has become bitter-sweet full of
highs and
lows
on what I should do next. The rules state that I can return to
the
NATS
and
defend my National Championship if I so desire. I'm asking
myself is
that
such a bad thing. Well a few have voiced their opinions that
it would
be.
I'm wondering if that is a personal feeling or are they
thinking what's
good
for the pattern community as a whole?
My goals for the sport are simple. First to have fun competing,
this
includes giving back to the sport in some manner. Second is to
be as
competitive as I can.
Giving back falls in a couple of categories:
1) Sharing my knowledge and experience with others to help them
have
fun
and
be competitive in this sport.
2) Work with equipment supplier/manufacture to develop and promote
their
product offerings to the pattern community for us to enjoy.
The question I ask myself is can I do both if I move to FAI?
The short
answer is yes, however what influence would I have if I was a
middle of
the
pack FAI competitor? IMHO top level Masters competitors should
have
influence on equipments trends. Here in the US we are
fortunate to
have
a
large group of national level competitors who would benefit
from having
more
options and diversity in their equipment choices. From my vantage
point
currently only the top FAI class flyers world wide have the most
influence
over the market.
Many of us (me included) buy the exact equipment the top FAI
competitors
use
to win their respective National events or the Worlds. I feel
there is
an
opportunity for the top US Masters competitors to have a similar
effect.
A
good example of this is the collaboration between Hester and
Stafford.
Many
will benefit from having an obtainable design manufactured here
in the
US
that's competitive against any of the foreign import designs
especially
at
the Masters level.
My decision on what to do next season is still pending. If I
choose to
return to Masters next season I asked not to be viewed as a
sandbagger
but
as one who is for bettering the quality and enjoyment of the
sport.
~Glen
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Mike
Hester
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:01 AM
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selection?
Well, I'm about to go out the door and do that novel thing we call
"flying"
(instead of typing). So, I'll be brief for now.
You just blatantly called Arch Stafford a "sandbagger" because
he said
his
goal was to win the nats in masters. You're right that it may
or may
not
ever happen, and he knows this all too well. You need practice,
skill,
the
proper equipment, coaching, and good old fashioned luck. He's
certainly
capable of it.
Arch is right where he belongs, whether you like it or not, and
whether
you
agree or not. Have you ever seen him fly? I have, and he's a
masters
pilot.
One of the best. he got there by many many years of hard work and
paying
his
dues. Yep he could fly FAI if he chose to, but to fly FAI on a
national
level requires a LOT of time that most people simply don't
have. You
can't
appreciate the difference until you try it yourself, in
competition,
not
at
the practice field. it's DIFFERENT. The scoring is different, the
manuevers
are different, etc.
Like it or not, masters IS a destination class and I am almost
100%
positive
that will not change. I also believe it should stay this way.
FAI is a
choice, and I like choices. I don't hear any MASTERS pilots
complaining
about Arch or Glen or ?????? No, they like the competition, and
they
like
them as people.
Arch is a friend of mine and I sponsor him. There's a reason
for that.
I'd
break my back to help that guy, why? Because he'd do...and
does...the
same
for me, or anybody else. Calling any masters pilot a sandbagger is
unproductive, provocative and uncalled for. When their life and
thier
own
goals dictate the decision to move into FAI, let THEM make that
decision.
You want to kill pattern for good? Make long time masters
pilots have
to
move into FAI. It ain't gonna work.
-Mike
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Well...
He is the one who proclaimed that he was going to stay in the
class
until
he
won a particular event... which how many people have EVER
won? Out
of
how
many who have competed?
Sorry... the world does not owe anyone any particular trophy.
You say he's second best... maybe thats the best he ever gets.
Every other competitor who goes to the NATS and flys in
Masters wants
to
be
the best too. Most will NEVER make it.
Most would be damn glad to be called second best in this sport...
Reality is not politically correct.
This is not the special olympics where everyone gets the same
trophy:
"Participant"
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Fred,
The person who made the comment about not moving up until
winning
the
Nats
was Arch Stafford. He's a very nice guy, and according to the
Nats
finish
this year, he's probably the second-best Masters pilot in the
nation.
He
wants to be the best before he moves up to F3A, it's a
personal goal
he
has
set and well within the bounds of the rules. Having met Arch,
and
knowing
what a decent guy he is, I frankly take offense at you blatantly
calling
him
out as a sandbagger. I don't know one person who flys Masters
in D6
who
would call him that, and those are the people he competes
with on a
regular
basis... There is currently no relevant points accumulation in
Masters
other
than for district championships as it is the highest level of
AMA
Pattern.
I
completely agree with the point someone else made that stated we
should
not
force someone to a level of competition that is out of the
control
of
the
AMA Competition Regs. If I were ever in a situation that
forced me
to
move
into F3A competition, I'd probably stop flying pattern. Full
turnaround
patterns was a hard enough pill to swallow. F3A has too many
maneuvers
that,
while very beautiful when performed well, I don't personally
consider
to
be
precision aerobatics. Snaps and spins are enough of a stretch.
Matt
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">No sour grapes here about not being able to win... I don't
ever
expect
to
accumulate the points needed to force advancement from
Sportsman.
The
hand-eye coordination just isn't there.
The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's
only 2
others
flying. I'm just in Pattern for the flight discipline...
and to be
around
people who can help me quit breaking airplanes.
I will probably move to Intermediate next year.. becaue I have
learned
almost as much as I can from the Sportman sequence.... I'll
place
DEAD
LAST
FOREVER. I'll fly at the NATS in about 3 or 4 years too.
I do see the hypocracy of people complaining about not being
competitive
if
they move up... and sitting firmly in the lower class for
years so
they
can
always win...
"I won't move up until I WIN the NATS" is why they came up
with the
point
system to force people to move up... sandbagger. (not even
bothering
to
look up who made the referenced post...)
The only way I'll take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's
only 2
others
flying.
I take offense at rules that are unfair.
I take offense at people who revise the rules to suit thier
personal
agendas.
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I know Glen.
My question was more rhetorical than anything else, and I
really
just
put it out there to try to clarify the issue. There seems
to be a
division amongst people who want Masters to be that
stepping stone
class verses those who want Masters to be a destination all by
itself
(which it currently is).
I do think the idea of a progression rule whereby a pilot
who does
not
meet a given criteria has the option of moving down. I
personally
like
the 'qualification' bar idea. For example, a pilot moves up to
Masters
from Advanced. In their 1st contest, if they are unable to
achieve
an
AVERAGE normalized score of at least 800, they are given the
option
of
moving back to Advanced. The 800 number is arbitrary and
used for
example only.
I guess my biggest problem with these threads, is they give
me a
big
sense of sour grapes from people as I read them talk
continually
about
not being able to win. Last I checked this was competition,
and if
you
want to win, you perfect your own flying until you can do it
better
than everyone else. You don't tell the guy beating you to
go play
somewhere else so you can feel good about yourself.
Of course I could be completely wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st
time.
(just ask my wife)
-Doug
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Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
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</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">There is no mandatory advancement from Masters...
The following was copied from the current AMA rulebook...
8.2.5. There is no mandatory advancement into FAI from the
Masters
class.Contestants may enter their current AMA class or the
FAI
class at any
contest but not both.
~Glen
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