<div>These couldn't be truer words well said Keith.</div>
<div>"when I was a pattern newbie I was more<br>interested in absorbing info from the list than telling experienced people<br>what they should be doing."</div>
<div> I have personally known Glen for 6 years and you can't find a finer person, gentelman, competitor, always willing to help and mentor. Same goes for Archy, and we all know they have had great compitions against each other for some time both emerging as respectful for the other, a lot of knowlegde in these 2 people alone, let alone all the others that haven't been mentioned and i couldn't be more proud to know each and everyone.
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<div> Steve Maxwell<br><br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Keith Black</b> <<a href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com">tkeithblack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Doug is correct. By Fred's own account, pasted below, he didn't fly for the<br>entire year of 2005 after getting upset that the CD at the Temple, TX
<br>contest decided not to judge take offs and landings due to safety issues<br>(major turbulent winds). And Fred didn't even object at the pilots meeting.<br><br>I fly throughout Texas with lots and lots of people that will do anything
<br>they can to help you. We are all willing to do whatever we can to assist and<br>mentor Fred but he only shows up once a year at his home field contest then<br>seems to get upset when those that dedicate many many hours to pattern
<br>disagree with him. Personally when I was a pattern newbie I was more<br>interested in absorbing info from the list than telling experienced people<br>what they should be doing.<br><br>I think in some cases Fred did make some good arguments, but as Doug said
<br>one has to know when to let things go.<br><br>If Fred decides to come back and fly I'll be more than happy to help him<br>out, but it is completely out of line to bad mouth upstanding dedicated guys<br>like Glen and Arch. Respect goes both ways and neither Glen or Arch said
<br>anything negative to Fred.<br><br>Keith Black<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Fred Huber<br>To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:19 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you don't score by therules....don't
<br>advertise a rulebook event<br><br><br>This wasn't this year... I didn't go to a contest this year partly because<br>of the bad feeling left over from the previous rules deviations... which<br>were made at the pilots meeting propr to the first flight... and I would
<br>have been the sole opposition.<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Doug Cronkhite" <<a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">seefo@san.rr.com</a>><br>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:44 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in<br>classselection?-->Personal dilemma, what to do next season<br><br><br>> John Gayer wrote:
<br>> > To All<br>> ><br>> > If there hadn't so much time wasted on the "sandbagging in masters"<br>> > issue and a bit more time spent looking at the ideas Fred was<br>> > presenting, we might still have a member of NSRCA and the Pattern
<br>> > community and some food for thought as well. Here are a few of his<br>> > recent posts. He clearly cares(cared) about the direction the NSRCA is<br>> > headed. You don't have to agree with his ideas but none of the posters
<br>> > seem to be able to get over what was perceived as a personal attack on<br>> > one of your own. Fred's ideas deserved reasoned consideration, not<br>> > heaping portions of scorn.<br>> > On the sandbagging issue, all Fred did was point out the
<br>> > inconsistencies in Arch's reply to me, as did I. He did not focus on<br>> > it and spent most of his posts presenting ideas that should be<br>> > carefully considered.<br>> ><br>> > John Gayer
<br>> > NSRCA 632<br>> > AMA 75102<br>> > First Radio/Uncontrolled flight 1957<br>> > Official member AARP<br>> ><br>><br>> Unfortunately John, I'm not sure there was any way for Fred to not be
<br>> upset. His ideas DID receive consideration by people here, and people<br>> disagreed with him. The difference is people became annoyed when Fred<br>> continually pushed his opinions in the face of people's disagreement. At
<br>> some point, you have to accept that your ideas are not accepted or<br>> agreed with and move on. Fred didn't seem able to do this, and that's<br>> when things got ugly.<br>><br>> It's my opinion (which of course can be wrong, just ask my wife), but
<br>> somehow I doubt Fred was going to let the topic go and just agree to<br>> disagree. This was unfortunately what I perceive to be the only ending<br>> to this.<br>><br>> As I said.. my perception of things.
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Steve Maxwell