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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Fred, are you just looking for an argument
or what is it that is bothering you?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Claude<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Fred Huber<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007
10:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More flexibility in class selection?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>If there is no support for the forcing move up from Master to FAI</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>There can be no valid argument to force anyone to ever move up from any
class.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Either the rules should have a consistant progression system... or
no system to make the guy who likes taking st place at advanced home every
contest for 30 years. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Tell Chip Hyde to fly Masters... Tell Todd Blose to fly Intermediate,
Have Jason fly Advanced... and make the contest a joke.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Drive all the lower level competitors out of the sport.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>It'll be great for Pattern. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>We'll get hundreds of new members wanting to be able to say: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"I flew in Pattern and got a 100... to MattK's 1000..... he flew
Sportsman this time because he didn't want to look like a fool compared to
someone else."</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Be consistant... or be shown the way the inconsistancy can be followed
through on.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" title="rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, August
15, 2007 9:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Masters needs it???<br>
<br>
Move up to where?? <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alaska</st1:place></st1:State>??<br>
<br>
Ohhhh....drop out when you reach your allotted points, that's what you mean.
OKAY then... I see the logic<br>
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MattK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Fred Huber <<a href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</a>><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 7:16 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>OK... its an AMA class</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>ALL OTHER AMA CLASSES HAVE THE FORCED MOVE UP POINT SYSTEM.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Masters needs it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>And... there's no real support for allowing someone to willy-nilly move
between FAI and other classes whenever they want... </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>(no one does... because no one wants to practise FAI and any other
class at the same time.. the lower class would take too much time from the FAI
practice)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Rules need to be consistent... Or someone will notice that they aren't.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:timsautopro@yahoo.com" title="timsautopro@yahoo.com">Tim Taylor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, August
15, 2007 7:01 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>FAI is class 406, an AMA Class, Just checked the rule book.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <a
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/RC%20Aerobatics.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/RC%20Aerobatics.pdf</a><br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Fred Huber <<a
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</a>></span></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>In that case... there's no support for offering FAI class at an AMA
sanctioned event. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Its not an AMA class. Have a seperate contest.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>That worm turns 2 ways.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net" title="mrandmrst@comcast.net">Ken Thompson</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, August
15, 2007 4:57 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The bottom line is this...the AMA has 4 classes, the top
level being Masters. FAI is an international F3A class, not a AMA
class..."in my opinion" there can never be a mandatory progression
from an AMA SIG class to an international class.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As for your question, my logic should, and does, apply to
every class controlled by the AMA...which is what I'm talking about.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ken</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, August
15, 2007 4:38 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Why does this apply to every class except Masters?? <br>
Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI? :)<br>
John<br>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!! You will only get better if you do one of two things, 1. Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying attention to their flights. 2. Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you. I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6 will have pilots that are better than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the little things. BTW: I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years. That will put me at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move. Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or 2nd on a regular basis, AND stay in that class...it simply won't make me a better pilot. My goal is to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> get better every year, with hard work and patience, it will happen. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <a
href="mailto:rcpattern@stx.rr.com"><rcpattern@stx.rr.com></a> To: "<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I take exception to this. FAI and Masters are not related. I have been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this year at the NATS. Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters. I have a goal of winning the nats before I move up. I can be realistic...at some point with enough practice I might be able to crack the finals in FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically winning FAI isnt going to happen. I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> would also argue that the guys that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar. I know in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the guys that make guys fly better. Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly Masters...you'll definitely get better. 6 of the top 10 at the NATS were D6. The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have trouble getting wood at a local contest. I can promise you though, the guys that fly here have greatly improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the country. Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the other guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local contest scores, it is getting closer. At any given time down here in D6, I'd say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters. Now that makes it fun. I know when I was flying in D4 last year. Every contest I went to, was Verne K, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights every flight and this makes you a better pilot. I think you should try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where you are the following year. I bet you start moving up and before you know it you would be right there in the mix. This is a competitive activity and the only way you improve is flying against people who are better than you. Arch ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gayer <a
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ron, I take exception to those rules. There should be only one destination class. Why shouldn't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> there be a mandatory move from Masters to F3A? They are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is between Advanced and Masters. Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation. john Ron Van Putte wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>move <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or "sandbaggers"? Ron Van Putte On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a class. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>if you <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging. I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> half of the classes <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>pilot of <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> parkers. I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Shouldn't <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>is <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>designed as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way. John Gayer NSRCA 632 <a
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>had not <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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