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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Good advice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007
2:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More flexibility in class selection?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Claude,<br>
Over the years, I have seen many, many more people move up prematurely and
struggle mightily. A lot more than I have ever seen of any sandbagging in class
for the sole purpose of winning. The only exception I have seen is the
legalized sandbagging occurring these days in Masters.<br>
I would however recommend taking one more year in a given class and focusing
80% of your practice time on the next class.<br>
John<br>
<br>
Claude Weimer wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
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</xml><![endif]-->To me flying pattern cannot be just about winning. Advancing
in class is flying more challenging sequences. It should be a personal thing
about being a better pilot. How well you do is a way to gage how you are doing.
If you start placing with ease then its time to think about moving up to continue
the challenge. If all a pilot focuses on is winning then he may not be a very
happy person. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Claude
Weimer <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Glen Watson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007
2:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName u4:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More flexibility in class selection?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John Gayer
quote “</span></font>As a competant advanced pilot of somewhat advanced years,
I have very little interest in moving to Masters in order to spend the rest of
my pattern years trying to break 900 against the parkers.”<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I fail
to see the logic in this statement. This same statement can be applied to
a Masters competitor when first entering FAI, especially at the NATS.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Actually
there is benefit to having quality competition within any class. How else
does one become better unless the bar is set high?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>~Glen<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007
2:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More flexibility in class selection?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>how about changing the
AMA advancemant rule and keep it very simple? <br>
Your first contest of the year will determine your class for the year. You may
go up one class at any time during the year but may not go back down during the
year. At the start of the next year you may drop back one class at your option,
stay where you are or go up a class.<br>
This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know if you are
following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow competitiors to insure
that you are not sandbagging.<br>
I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be allowed. If you
disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes allow parking. Obviously, F3A has
to be a parking lot but I see no reason to allow this behavior in Masters. As a
competant advanced pilot of somewhat advanced years, I have very little
interest in moving to Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years
trying to break 900 against the parkers.<br>
I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes. Shouldn't we all
aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule is designed as a
stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</a> wrote: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial id="role_document"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There
was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow a person to move up
and test his ability then move back if he had not attained
the skills required for the higher class. I personally think it is a
good idea and I also see no need for the point system like someone said if
someone abuses the privilege we can solicit Earl and four other guys his size
to take him behind the barn and splain to him why he will be moving up.
I believe peer pressure is all the control we need.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think this is
worth a try. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For those who have
the ability and desire to achieve a spot at the top I don't see that we
have a problem.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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