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<DIV>You hit it right on the nail head Chris!!! I remember my first
Masters event.... </DIV>
<DIV>It was like entering a NASCAR race with an old Volkswagen Beetle! I
found</DIV>
<DIV>out I was pretty unprepared... and it wasn't the sequence, it
was the level</DIV>
<DIV>of competition. It really doesn't matter what the difference in the
level of </DIV>
<DIV>difficulty is in the sequences in relation of Advanced to
Masters. The Level </DIV>
<DIV>of competition in Masters is fierce. That's part of what makes
people think they</DIV>
<DIV>aren't ready to move up to the next class. In reality, as you
advance to the </DIV>
<DIV>next higher sequence, the competition raises exponentially...
</DIV>
<DIV>It's pretty hard to gain the experience and ability to compete at that
level</DIV>
<DIV>without jumping in and eating humble pie for a while... Sure, there's
a </DIV>
<DIV>young superstar that is a natural and beats most everyone, but that only
</DIV>
<DIV>happens once in a while and they usually just go right on to FAI to play
</DIV>
<DIV>with the big boys. Or, they discover girls, LOL.</DIV>
<DIV>My point to all this is simple... And I'm not pointing any fingers or
relating </DIV>
<DIV>this to any one person. Don't think for one minute that you
have</DIV>
<DIV>it all figured out until you actually step up to the plate. So what
if Masters</DIV>
<DIV>is a destination class. I'm glad it is! It actually gives the
up and coming</DIV>
<DIV>flyers from the lower classes a target to prepare for. Could
you imagine </DIV>
<DIV>flying for 5 or 6 years thinking, "I want to get good enough to
compete</DIV>
<DIV>against that guy".... only to get there and see "that guy"
flying a couple</DIV>
<DIV>sequences higher than you. Your goal just became
unobtainable... There</DIV>
<DIV>has to be a top as well as a bottom to all competitions. The
competition in</DIV>
<DIV>Masters is enough that you would never get tired of flying there unless you
</DIV>
<DIV>are getting maximum scores and have won it all... </DIV>
<DIV>Then you get the opportunity to jump in the shark tank with all the FAI
</DIV>
<DIV>guys during feeding time. More humble pie!</DIV>
<DIV>Reguardless of what you think, there has to be a goal associated with</DIV>
<DIV>playing with these toys as we are... And, that's an individual
thing!</DIV>
<DIV>The rules governing our fine pastime weren't written on a whim. They
were</DIV>
<DIV>written and proposed by people that had or have a lot of experience in
this</DIV>
<DIV>consortium... Are they perfect? probably not in some
areas... but the intent</DIV>
<DIV>is there. By the way, anything not covered in AMA rules is deferred
to FAI</DIV>
<DIV>rules.... So, when you get done reading all the AMA competition
rules, get</DIV>
<DIV>the FAI rules and read them... I guarantee you'll be informed!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rex</DIV>
<DIV>Team VISA</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">chris moon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class selection?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Guys, the short answer is that Masters is an AMA class
and FAI is not.<BR>Don't believe me? Submit a rules change for FAI to the AMA
and see what<BR>they say....don't submit to us, that's not our event.
Need more proof?<BR>Why do some maneuvers get judged differently in Masters
and FAI (ex:<BR>take off/ landing)? Why? because they are governed by
different<BR>entities and are different events. If someone wants to fly
Masters<BR>forever, so be it. It IS a destination class. One does not
have to move<BR>out of Masters...EVER. Does is make it tough for the guys
moving into<BR>Masters? You bet. I moved up to Masters this year
and found myself<BR>flying against guys who have been in Masters over a
decade. Guess<BR>what? I have learned more this year flying
against that level of<BR>competition than ever before. If some wants to
collect trophies in<BR>Masters, that is their
prerogative.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>Fred Huber
wrote:<BR>>Well...<BR>><BR>>He is the one who proclaimed that he was
going to stay in the class until <BR>>he won a particular event... which
how many people have EVER won? Out of <BR>>how many who have
competed?<BR>><BR>>Sorry... the world does not owe anyone any particular
trophy.<BR>><BR>>You say he's second best... maybe thats the best he
ever gets.<BR>><BR>>Every other competitor who goes to the NATS and flys
in Masters wants to be <BR>>the best too. Most will NEVER make
it.<BR>><BR>>Most would be damn glad to be called second best in this
sport...<BR>><BR>>Reality is not politically
correct.<BR>><BR>>This is not the special olympics where everyone gets
the same trophy: <BR>>"Participant"<BR>><BR>>----- Original Message
----- From: "Matthew Frederick" <BR>><<A
title=mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">mjfrederick@cox.net</A>><BR>>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>Sent:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:17 PM<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More
flexibility in class
selection?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>>Fred,<BR>>>The person who
made the comment about not moving up until winning the Nats<BR>>>was
Arch Stafford. He's a very nice guy, and according to the Nats
finish<BR>>>this year, he's probably the second-best Masters pilot in
the nation. He<BR>>>wants to be the best before he moves up to F3A, it's
a personal goal he <BR>>>has<BR>>>set and well within the bounds
of the rules. Having met Arch, and knowing<BR>>>what a decent guy he is,
I frankly take offense at you blatantly calling <BR>>>him<BR>>>out
as a sandbagger. I don't know one person who flys Masters in D6
who<BR>>>would call him that, and those are the people he competes with
on a <BR>>>regular<BR>>>basis... There is currently no relevant
points accumulation in Masters <BR>>>other<BR>>>than for district
championships as it is the highest level of AMA Pattern.
<BR>>>I<BR>>>completely agree with the point someone else made
that stated we should <BR>>>not<BR>>>force someone to a level of
competition that is out of the control of the<BR>>>AMA Competition Regs.
If I were ever in a situation that forced me to move<BR>>>into F3A
competition, I'd probably stop flying pattern. Full
turnaround<BR>>>patterns was a hard enough pill to swallow. F3A has too
many maneuvers <BR>>>that,<BR>>>while very beautiful when
performed well, I don't personally consider to
<BR>>>be<BR>>>precision aerobatics. Snaps and spins are enough of
a stretch.<BR>>><BR>>>Matt<BR>>><BR>>>----- Original
Message ----- From: "Fred Huber" <<A title=mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</A>><BR>>>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>Sent:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:56 PM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More flexibility in class
selection?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>No sour grapes
here about not being able to win... I don't ever expect
<BR>>>>to<BR>>>>accumulate the points needed to force
advancement from Sportsman. The<BR>>>>hand-eye coordination
just isn't there.<BR>>>><BR>>>>The only way I'll take 3rd
place in Sportsman is if there's only 2 others<BR>>>>flying.
I'm just in Pattern for the flight discipline... and to be
<BR>>>>around<BR>>>>people who can help me quit breaking
airplanes.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I will probably move to Intermediate
next year.. becaue I have learned<BR>>>>almost as much as I can from
the Sportman sequence.... I'll place
DEAD<BR>>>>LAST<BR>>>>FOREVER. I'll fly at the NATS in
about 3 or 4 years too.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I do see the hypocracy
of people complaining about not being
competitive<BR>>>>if<BR>>>>they move up... and sitting
firmly in the lower class for years so
they<BR>>>>can<BR>>>>always
win...<BR>>>><BR>>>>"I won't move up until I WIN the NATS"
is why they came up with the point<BR>>>>system to force people to
move up... sandbagger. (not even bothering to<BR>>>>look up who
made the referenced post...)<BR>>>><BR>>>>The only way I'll
take 3rd place in Sportsman is if there's only 2
others<BR>>>>flying.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I take offense at
rules that are unfair.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I take offense at people
who revise the rules to suit thier
personal<BR>>>>agendas.<BR>>>><BR>>>>----- Original
Message ----- From: <<A title=mailto:seefo@san.rr.com
href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">seefo@san.rr.com</A>><BR>>>>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>>Sent:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:40 PM<BR>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
selection?<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>I
know Glen.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>My question was more
rhetorical than anything else, and I really just<BR>>>>>put it out
there to try to clarify the issue. There seems to be
a<BR>>>>>division amongst people who want Masters to be that
stepping stone<BR>>>>>class verses those who want Masters to be a
destination all by itself<BR>>>>>(which it currently
is).<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I do think the idea of a
progression rule whereby a pilot who does not<BR>>>>>meet a given
criteria has the option of moving down. I personally
like<BR>>>>>the 'qualification' bar idea. For example, a pilot
moves up to Masters<BR>>>>>from Advanced. In their 1st contest, if
they are unable to achieve an<BR>>>>>AVERAGE normalized score of
at least 800, they are given the option of<BR>>>>>moving back to
Advanced. The 800 number is arbitrary and used for<BR>>>>>example
only.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I guess my biggest problem with
these threads, is they give me a big<BR>>>>>sense of sour grapes
from people as I read them talk continually about<BR>>>>>not being
able to win. Last I checked this was competition, and if
you<BR>>>>>want to win, you perfect your own flying until you can
do it better<BR>>>>>than everyone else. You don't tell the guy
beating you to go play<BR>>>>>somewhere else so you can feel good
about yourself.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Of course I could be
completely wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st time.<BR>>>>>(just ask my
wife)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>-Doug<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>From: Glen Watson <<A
title=mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com
href="mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com">gwatson11@houston.rr.com</A>><BR>>>>>Date:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:24 pm<BR>>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?<BR>>>>>To:
'NSRCA Mailing List' <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>There
is no mandatory advancement from
Masters...<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>The following was
copied from the current AMA
rulebook...<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>8.2.5. There is no
mandatory advancement into FAI from the
Masters<BR>>>>>>class.Contestants may enter their current AMA
class or the FAI<BR>>>>>>class at
any<BR>>>>>>contest but not
both.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>~Glen<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>>>From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
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Of<BR>>>>>>seefo@san.rr.com<BR>>>>>>Sent:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:51 PM<BR>>>>>>To: NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility
in class
selection?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>It
seems to me the real question that must be answered (yet
again)<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>is:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>Is
Masters a destination class or
not?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>-Doug<BR>>>>>>_______________________________________________<BR>>>>>>NSRCA-discussion
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