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Ron,<br>
Since I'm kind of standing alone here as far as I can tell, a survey
apparently has already been taken.<br>
John<br>
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Ron Van Putte wrote:
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type="cite">No. I am saying that there has not been a survey by
NSRCA, so the NSRCA leadership has no consensus upon which to base a
rule change proposal. Individuals are always able (and encouraged) to
submit rule change proposals. It is only in recent history that the
NSRCA sponsored submitting proposals and even then, the proposals were
always submitted by individuals.
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<div>Ron Van Putte</div>
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<div>On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:44 PM, John Gayer wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Ron,<br>
<br>
Are you saying that I since I have no support from the NSRCA
leadership, I am entitled to go my own way and submit a rule change
directly to the R/C Aerobatics contest board?<br>
If there is no support for my viewpoint here, then I would be seriously
wasting my time taking your advice.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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Ron Van Putte wrote:
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type="cite">Well, it's your prerogative to take exception to the
existing rules and it's also your prerogative to submit a rule change
proposal (soon) for a rule doing what you want to do. If passed by the
R/C Aerobatics contest board, the rules would go into effect in January
2009.
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<div>Ron Van Putte</div>
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<div>On Aug 15, 2007, at 3:36 PM, John Gayer wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Ron,<br>
I take exception to those rules. There should be only one destination
class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from Masters to F3A?
They are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is
between Advanced and Masters.<br>
Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.<br>
john<br>
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Ron Van Putte wrote:
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cite="mid5006FB4B-7B2F-49DA-9D45-94802D96AFA3@cox.net" type="cite">The
Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory move from
the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or
"sandbaggers"?
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<div>Ron Van Putte</div>
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<div>On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"> how about changing the AMA
advancemant rule and keep it very simple? <br>
Your first contest of the year will determine your class for the year.
You may go up one class at any time during the year but may not go back
down during the year. At the start of the next year you may drop back
one class at your option, stay where you are or go up a class.<br>
This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know if you
are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow competitiors
to insure that you are not sandbagging.<br>
I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be allowed.
If you disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes allow parking.
Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no reason to allow
this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced pilot of somewhat
advanced years, I have very little interest in moving to Masters in
order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying to break 900 against
the parkers.<br>
I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes. Shouldn't we
all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule is designed
as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
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href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</a> wrote:
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<div>There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that
would allow a person to move up and test his ability then move back
if he had not attained the skills required for the higher class. I
personally think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point
system like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can solicit
Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn and
splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer pressure is all
the control we need.</div>
<div>I think this is worth a try. </div>
<div>For those who have the ability and desire to achieve
a spot at the top I don't see that we have a problem.</div>
<div>Buddy </div>
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