<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">20%? Are we up to 20%?<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Fred Huber wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE> <DIV><FONT size="2">Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in Pattern (lead balloon) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">or </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">or </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">you can just drop the point system totally.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join NSRCA: Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ awards.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="twtaylor@ftc-i.net" href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">twtaylor</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lance one minor point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern fliers are NSRCA members. We’d have to include non-members in the point chase and that’s not fair.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lance Van Nostrand<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's the rules proposal form. If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for review here maybe this discussion will result in something.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's a summary of what I think I've read (beware of severe summarizing):</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Advancement rules based on hard numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to more contests or some districts have more pilots. A system based on percentages would be better. We've heard a comparison to a national average (need an implementable procedure to accurately compute this), force up of the district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages that can be compared.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We've also heard of simply tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of the rest (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to level off before masters). Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but that was before every district could post points on their website. It didn't work then.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Several recommendations to increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment for the size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate an advancement number by district, maybe it could work.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Lance</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>