<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">AMA does not track advancement points. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I was under the impression that contest results were forwarded to the AMA by the CD, and that it was incumbent on the AMA and the individual to track their own AMA points. Am I mistaken?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Matt</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="fhhuber@clearwire.net" href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred Huber</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in Pattern (lead balloon) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">or </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">or </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">you can just drop the point system totally.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join NSRCA: Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ awards.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="twtaylor@ftc-i.net" href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">twtaylor</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lance one minor point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern fliers are NSRCA members. We’d have to include non-members in the point chase and that’s not fair.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lance Van Nostrand<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's the rules proposal form. If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for review here maybe this discussion will result in something.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's a summary of what I think I've read (beware of severe summarizing):</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Advancement rules based on hard numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to more contests or some districts have more pilots. A system based on percentages would be better. We've heard a comparison to a national average (need an implementable procedure to accurately compute this), force up of the district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages that can be compared.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We've also heard of simply tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of the rest (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to level off before masters). Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but that was before every district could post points on their website. It didn't work then.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Several recommendations to increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment for the size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate an advancement number by district, maybe it could work.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Lance</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>