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Arch,<br>
your statement that the two patterns(FAI and Masteres) are not related
is unsupported. I would contend that the only difference in difficulty
between them is in the rolling elements.<br>
<br>
You seem to be proving my point for me.<br>
You are not willing to move to FAI until you win the NATS in Masters.
That's one hell of a promotion criteria. There certainly wouldn't be a
lot of movement between classes if we all took that approach.<br>
On the other hand, I am supposed to move up and take my lumps at sub
900s in Masters?<br>
<br>
I suggest that if some of you eastern D6ers moved to FAI, you would
then have two hotly contested classes where a number of flyers could
win a round....<br>
<br>
John<br>
western D6<br>
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<pre wrap="">I take exception to this. FAI and Masters are not related. I have
been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second this
year at the NATS. Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters. I have
a goal of winning the nats before I move up. I can be realistic...at
some point with enough practice I might be able to crack the finals in
FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically
winning FAI isnt going to happen. I would also argue that the guys
that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar. I know
in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the guys
that make guys fly better. Show up in District 6 sometime, and fly
Masters...you'll definitely get better. 6 of the top 10 at the NATS
were D6. The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS in
what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have trouble
getting wood at a local contest. I can promise you though, the guys
that fly here have greatly
improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the
country. Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the other
guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local contest
scores, it is getting closer. At any given time down here in D6, I'd
say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters. Now that makes it fun. I
know when I was flying in D4 last year. Every contest I went to, was
Verne K, and Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great flights
every flight and this makes you a better pilot. I think you should
try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where you
are the following year. I bet you start moving up and before you know
it you would be right there in the mix. This is a competitive
activity and the only way you improve is flying against people who are
better than you.
Arch
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From: John Gayer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"><jgghome@comcast.net></a>
Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
To: NSRCA Mailing List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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<pre wrap="">Ron,
I take exception to those rules. There should be only one
destination
class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from Masters to
F3A? They
are just two patterns with a natural progression as there is
between
Advanced and Masters.
Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules violation.
john
Ron Van Putte wrote:
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<pre wrap="">The Master class is the top AMA class and there is no mandatory
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<pre wrap="">move
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<pre wrap="">from the Master class to F3A, so how can there be "parkers" or
"sandbaggers"?
Ron Van Putte
On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:
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<pre wrap="">how about changing the AMA advancemant rule and keep it very
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<pre wrap="">simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine your class
for the
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<pre wrap="">year. You may go up one class at any time during the year but
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<pre wrap="">go back down during the year. At the start of the next year you
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<pre wrap="">drop back one class at your option, stay where you are or go up
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<pre wrap="">This is simple enough that your fellow competitiors will know
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<pre wrap="">are following the rules. It will also be up to your fellow
competitiors to insure that you are not sandbagging.
I also feel strongly that sandbagging in Masters should not be
allowed. If you disregard Sportsman, then half of the classes
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<pre wrap="">allow
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<pre wrap="">parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a parking lot but I see no
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<pre wrap="">to allow this behavior in Masters. As a competant advanced
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<pre wrap="">somewhat advanced years, I have very little interest in moving
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<pre wrap="">Masters in order to spend the rest of my pattern years trying
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<pre wrap="">break 900 against the parkers.
I fail to see the logic in having two destination classes.
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<pre wrap="">Shouldn't
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<pre wrap="">we all aspire to progress to FAI? The current Masters schedule
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<pre wrap="">is
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<pre wrap="">designed as a stepping stone to Masters. Let's use it that way.
John Gayer
NSRCA 632
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<pre wrap="">There was a proposal on the last rules cycle that would allow
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<pre wrap="">person to move up and test his ability then move back if he
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<pre wrap="">attained the skills required for the higher class. I
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<pre wrap="">personally
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<pre wrap="">think it is a good idea and I also see no need for the point
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<pre wrap="">system
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<pre wrap="">like someone said if someone abuses the privilege we can
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<pre wrap="">Earl and four other guys his size to take him behind the barn
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<pre wrap="">splain to him why he will be moving up. I believe peer
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I think this is worth a try.
For those who have the ability and desire to achieve a spot at
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Buddy
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