<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3132" name=GENERATOR><!--[if !mso]>
<STYLE>v\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
o\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
w\:* {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
.shape {
BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
</STYLE>
<![endif]-->
<STYLE>@font-face {
font-family: Wingdings;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Tahoma;
}
@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }
P.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
LI.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
DIV.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
A:link {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
A:visited {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.EmailStyle17 {
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply
}
DIV.Section1 {
page: Section1
}
</STYLE>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></HEAD>
<BODY lang=EN-US id=role_body bottomMargin=7 vLink=blue link=blue
bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7>
<DIV>Keep Sportsman as simple as possible, while still getting the basic
requirements ingrained, Straight flights, consistant corners, smooth flying,
good positioning.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Increase the difficulty of Int, and likewise Advance.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No matter what is done, there is going to be a big step somewhere along the
line. I thought the step from Novice to Sportsman was huge, 20 years ago!!! Then
the move to Advance seemed like a huge jump. With this year's dumbing down of
Adv, I think the Int pattern is tougher.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Having been a CD for over 25 years, I remember one of the reasons for the
elimination of the old Masters class was turnout. We were having to pay for
awards for 6 classes and sometimes has 2 or 3 go unclaimed. Another reason was
that they chose their own sequences If I recall correctly they had to have a
certain # of maneuvers, and the K-Factor had to add up to a certain #. When we
went to computerized scoring every Master's sequence had to be hand entered.
Added a lot of additional work for the tabulation crew.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Keep the 4 AMA classes, just make each step up similar in difficulty.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:55:15 -0500 "Earl Haury" <<A
href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net">ejhaury@comcast.net</A>> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Buddy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What TW & I are suggesting is that a fix
for the large step between Advanced and Masters seems appropriate and are
offering one possible solution. Along with that, I agree with you and Glen
that there may need to be some adjustment to the points system. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Consider that the point system for advancement
addresses the primary issue of forcing advancement upon someone who has been
successful so as to provide "room at the top" for other competitors. A failing
with this is that it assumes folks won't move voluntarily - most do, and often
ill advised due to boredom in a specific class. Unfortunately, the system
assumes everyone will eventually need to move up. That's obviously not always
the case and some are faced with moving up or quitting - not a good choice!
The ability to drop off points 4 years back helps the GOB - but possibly not
in areas with lots of contests with large numbers of competitors. Maybe a
limit on the number of points acquired in any one contest would
help?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So - the conversation is twofold, progression of
difficulty within the classes being one topic and progression of competitors
within the classes the other.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=twtaylor@ftc-i.net href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">twtaylor</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 13, 2007 4:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Stirring up theMasters2009Sequencediscussionagain...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Buddy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand your
point and I agree. Given the rules, as they are now, progression is a given.
We can lobby to replace the advancement rules easily enough. My point was to
make FAI a destination class as imho it should be. Not taking anything away
from the Master Pilots but the guy that can fly and win Masters can fly and
win in FAI. Seems to me we have two nearly identical classes and for what
reason? What goal are we trying to achieve doing this? The goal of the
entire sport is to advance a flier from beginner to at least
national/regional contender, no? I understand the GOB deal. What we
did way back when was to really make FAI the top class, renamed Expert to
Masters and called it an evening. Do I think Arch or Glenn could make the
finals in FAI at our Nats? You dang skippy I do. Can I win an FAI contests
locally? Probably not this year but maybe next. IMHO The reason we see such
a large turn out in Masters and not FAI is because many don’t want to fly
against QQ and Chip and The Animal. Here’s one to
ponder.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jason goes to the
worlds and wins the whole thing and makes us proud as we can be. Guess what?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IIRC the current
rules allow Jason to fly masters, oh wait, If memory serves me Jason didn’t
point out of Advance he jumped straight from Advance to FAI. He could win
the worlds then come home and fly his next contest in Advance. Wouldn’t that
cause a stir! I know he won’t but he could. Back when I was flying Expert
Turn Around and won pretty much every contest I entered, Kirk Grey decided
to bring me down a peg or two,(Well actually 10 or so) at a contest in NC he
dropped back from FAI to Expert. Taught me a great lesson he did. (Said in
my best Yoda voice.) </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>BUDDYonRC@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 13, 2007 5:20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Stirring up the
Masters2009Sequencediscussionagain...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TW<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You have missed
the point. If you make FAI a destination class and apply the progression
rule it will definitely be a force which will in my opinion reduce our
ranks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't think you
understood my analysis of the location of the problem which is entirely
my opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think
like Glen Watson that progression should be based on ability to
perform not on a series of events which in some cases have nothing
to do with ability or performance. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When we force
advancement on a person who is not ready to move up due to what ever the
case may be we are doing him an injustice and cutting off our nose to spite
our face.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Be real we have
the Pro's and those with similar ability who aspire to join that group and
possibly be a world champion and push products for the Hobby Industry
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Then we have
the majority, the Good Old Boys which is most of us who buy the
stuff that the Pro group is pushing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Good Old Boys
just want to compete with each other progress according to our ability,
drink a few cool ones and generally enjoy our
sport. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Top GOB is the
one who wins Masters at the Nat's<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A GOB can jump the
fence if he wants to and be a WC want to be and if he doesn't like the
territory we will let him be a GOB again <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> But with
today's rules GOB's move up when the rules tell them to and that's where
some of our problems lie.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't know how
to express my opinion any simpler than
that.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Buddy <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-TOP: 7.5pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-TOP: 7.5pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Get a
sneak peek of the all-new <A
title=http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982
href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982"
target=_blank>AOL.com</A>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing
list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>