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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave I believe what you say is correct.
The difference between classes should be large enough they are not easily mastered.
They shouldn’t be small enough to make them ho hum. Maybe Masters has
become the largest class for several reasons. The progression from the
beginning to end (Masters) is too easy or the point out rule is too harsh. If
we allow a bad point system to determine when we move what have we achieved? I,
on the surface, like the idea of having to pass a national average in order to
move, or be required to move, to the next class. Admin of this system could
prove to be a nightmare for all involved unless carefully thought out. I think
this would be well above my ability to design. This would keep the sandbaggers
from hanging in a class forever. It would also keep someone not quite
ready for the next class from moving up. One problem I see is setting the bar
to high or to low. If we were to use Bret’s Average raw score from his
win at the Nats for Advance who in the country could beat it? I couldn’t.
What if we used 85% of that score? Possible at that point. The only rub I can
see in my limited thought process is easy and hard judges. This would remove
the top guys in every class every so often to make room for the new guys coming
up. The point is what class are we to consider as the top? I’d hate to
have to fly against Bret,Chip,Animal,Jason,QQ at every single contest I went
to. Once at the top that’s where these guys hang out like it or not. Do I
want to fly against Arch, Glen and so forth at a few contests each year? Dang
skippy, that is why I’d try harder. If I had to fly against them every
contest I’d soon get bored and might quit knowing there was no hope of
beating them. It’s happened before and will continue to. The other side
is, I’d go anyway knowing, I’m not going to beat them and just have
fun. As it is, I understand Masters is more of the latter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PS Doesn’t <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region> have
something like this? JR Ranking? Wonder how they do it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Lockhart<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 14, 2007
9:06 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Natural Progression</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you’ve made a lot of good
points. I think some of the answers to your questions regarding the
current/future status of Masters can be taken from the last NSRCA survey
– the direction of Masters has pretty closely followed the survey results
- in that it is distinct from F3A and the difficulty level is slightly less
than F3A (which fluctuates, granted) in that some maneuvers are found in
Masters (ie, integrated loop/roll figures).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The gap between classes will always remain
a constant debate – and I think a point that has been posted on this list
many times (and seemingly gets forgotten) is that pilots can practice for a new
class by flying the new class prior to entering a contest in that new
class. If we had 10 classes between Sportsman and Intermediate, the gaps
between the classes would be very small. I think the driving factor for
the number of classes currently is the current participant level will not consistently
sustain more classes. Yes, reintroduction of Expert might allow Masters
to be a more difficult class, but if pilots really wanted a more difficult
class (or higher level of competition), they have the option now of flying
F3A. I think Masters is the largest class across the country because a
lot of guys are happy with it exactly as it is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>twtaylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 14, 2007
8:15 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Natural Progression</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In an effort to break apart the two subjects we’ve
been talking about the last few days I offer the following.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Since the dawn of man we’ve had a competitive side (At
least that’s what RVP told me he was there after all). Some are more
competitive than others and that’s fine. Since our sport has developed
over the years we’ve made major changes along with many minor ones. Given
man’s thirst for ever increasing challenge we’ve come from old
school pattern through what seemed like a decade fight over going to turn
around. We lost a fair amount of pilots during that time yet the sport
survived. We picked up some new pilots and that’s a good thing. Then the
TOC came along to decide the best of the best. It started with Pattern planes,
and then someone decided to add a 10% bonus for using a scale airplane. >From that
day forward Pattern was divided and IMAC was born. Many of our former pattern
fliers joined the IMAC ranks. I don’t pretend to know why, they just did.
That diluted Pattern and no longer did we see contests with 50+ contestants. I
for one am glad we don’t get 50 plus pilots anymore as that creates a
nightmare contest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> I returned to Pattern after a decade lay off and can
honestly say the level of competition, airframes, engines, and radios has
increased at an exponential rate. I think the current fliers are more dedicated
to the sport than ever. The flying skills across the board have come up in
every class by an order of magnitude larger than I ever thought possible. I
asked myself why this was.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> After thinking for a year or more and talking with
those that have been in the trenches since going to turn around I’ve
formed an opinion about why. Right or wrong here it is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> FAI drives everything we do. Don’t think
so? Let me explain.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> The guys at the top of the game have nowhere to go,
FAI is it. To keep those guys interested and to separate the players from the
wannabe’s they had to make the sequence progressively harder. Those that
won all the time can easily become bored and move on to something else. For a
case in point, one only needs to look at the amount of top pattern fliers that
jumped ship to IMAC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Let’s look at our sport from top to bottom.
We’ve made FAI so difficult to keep the top guys happy we’ve out
stripped the ability, or perceived ability, of masses to fly that class. Some might
say this is a good thing. Harder keeps the numbers low and from top to bottom a
better overall flier.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Masters became the top class for guys that
didn’t think they could, or just didn’t want to fly FAI, yet
masters flew the old FAI schedule for a time. So now we had to make
Masters hard enough to keep those pilots happy and interested. Seems we did the
exact same thing for Masters that we did for FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Now were on the classes that we hope will lead fliers
into the upper classes through a natural progression. Let’s look back a
few years and see what we really did. We’ve made every class with the
exception of the lowest class harder. I don’t see any real problem with
that. If we look back at what FAI flew the first year, that schedule
isn’t any harder than the current Advance schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> So what does that tell us? It tells me the level of
flying has moved up by leaps and bounds. I think it’s a good thing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> The question I have is this. Are we to continue
to develop two distinct top classes when they should or could be channeled into
one? Are we so afraid of what FAI flies that many master pilots are just happy
to remain in Masters and never try FAI? If so then this discussion is a moot
one. Is the jump from Advance to Masters not as hard? Does it not require the
same level of dedication to join the ranks of the cream of the crop? If
you’re not willing to put forth the effort to try to crawl your way to
the top, then like me, you’ll end up being just a guy out having fun.
Nothing wrong with that either. A zero in FAI is the same as a Zero in
Masters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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