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<DIV><FONT size=2>AMA is in a way an "FAI subsidiary" organization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>AMA is the US's representative organization to the FAI for
model competitions and records.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Any time that we do something to the AMA rules which conflicts
with FAI rules... all we are doing is causing the US's team competing
internationally to be at a disadvantage.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Yes... if you look at it logicly... FAI Pattern should be the
destination, and all of the "AMA classes" should be leading toward that.
So... if it is supportable to have a system that forces advancement from lower
classes to Masters... its supportable to have the same system apply in regard to
Masters being forced up to FAI.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>AMA made an error regarding scale competition long ago... and
increased weight and power (engine displacement) limits to where planes that
could win in AMA competitions were illegal to enter in FAI... (sometimes bigger
isn't better...)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=twtaylor@ftc-i.net href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">twtaylor</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 13, 2007 2:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
StiringuptheMasters 2009Sequencediscussionagain...</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The fact Masters is a
bit “less than FAI in difficulty then it should be a stepping stone into FAI
no? What we’re really doing is deciding if we make FAI a destination class.
What problems would we have making it an AMA class besides the fact we
wouldn’t control the sequences? Is it not, in fact, already an AMA class in
everything but name only? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 13, 2007 2:10
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stiring
uptheMasters 2009Sequencediscussionagain...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just like to add that
I think Joe’s comments pretty much mirror the results of the last NSRCA survey
– main point of which (for Masters) was that the difficulty level should be
close to, but not equal to FAI (at that time), which does fluctuate as others
have noted. Leading to another point, there is absolutely no reason to
legislate ties any of the AMA classes, rules, process, etc to FAI. Yes,
there is benefit to maintaining congruence between AMA and FAI in most
instances, but this can always be done voluntarily for AMA and leave the
option of not blindly following FAI (which does not 100% share the
goals/objectives of AMA).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Dave
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joe Lachowski<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 13, 2007 7:10
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stiring
up theMasters
2009Sequencediscussionagain...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Making Masters as difficult as
you say will lose pilots altogether. There are a number of pilots already that
struggle with the existing sequences. This years Nats is a fine example.
Typically it takes a 960's average to get into the finals. This year I
believe it was around 937. <BR> <BR>We have clear cut definitions of what
Masters should be. It is basically everything that is in FAI except a handful
of certain maneuver types and that handful is very small. They only include
rolling circles, maneuvers with integrated rolls, and certain handful of snap
roll maneuvers. FAI is very airframe dependent in design. Masters should not
be that. There is a reason why the Masters class is large and successful. Why
would we want to change something that is working well, as it is. We change
the sequences every couple of years. Some will be more difficult, others will
seem easier. Level of difficulty will fluctuate up and down a little bit.
There is nothing wrong with that.<BR> <BR>I for one will drop out
should certain types of maneuvers creap into Masters. I don't have
the time to work on rolling maneuvers. I personally think rolling circles
should be outlawed. They take up airspace and are terrible to judge. Ah,
speaking of judging. Making maneuvers judgable is a criteria for designing an
AMA sequence<g>. You can't expect a high level of judging skill at
the local level as you might at a Nats.<BR><BR>Hopefully forever stuggling in
Masters,<BR><BR>Joe Lachowski<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From: mjfrederick@cox.net<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:43:33
-0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Stiring up the Masters
2009Sequencediscussionagain...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can definitely see the quandary
you are pointing out here, Lance. I've known many pilots who never had
the desire to move from Masters to FAI competition. It had nothing to do with
their skills, they just didn't want to fly FAI. Not sure the deciding factor
for them, they just never moved "up" (or as I see it, moved on). I can
definitely respect their decision.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In my opinion Masters should at
least seek to keep up with the difficulty levels of the FAI Prelim sequence.
That way we can have that "Elite" class that is ours alone. I look at it like
the difference between soccer and football. The winner of the super bowl is
probably the best football team in the world, yet you can't really say
they are because no other countries play the sport (yeah, yeah, CFL and NFL
Europe... they're all rejects from the NFL, that has nothing to do with my
point). On the other hand, we have professional soccer teams here in the
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></st1:place>, but nobody really cares about
them until the World Cup comes around. Even then, though, we don't just send
the best team, we hold try-outs to see who is the best of the best on the
teams, and make one Uber-Team to go out there and try to "bring home the
gold."</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I only fly Intermediate right now
(I really hate that name, by the way... never should have dropped the Novice
class... I'd much rather be called "Sportsman") but as I move up, I'd hate to
"de-value" the Masters class by making it just a stepping stone to FAI. I'll
probably never be good enough to compete on the international stage, and as a
result would never have the desire to move up to FAI. You can't "point out" of
Masters, so why not make it as difficult as you want? Heck, make it harder
than FAI P and F... That way we could have a National Champion who we could
say is better than whoever the FAI decides is the "world champion." I'm all
about giving our classes more value than the FAI classes... not
less.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">----- Original Message -----
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=patterndude@tx.rr.com href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com">Lance Van
Nostrand</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Sunday,
August 12, 2007 11:37 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Stiring up the Masters
2009Sequencediscussionagain...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm interested in what people
think about this question. This strikes at the heart of that topic:
what's the difference between Masters and FAI. I believe the many
differences should be summed up as "choices". For one example, "do I
choose to learn 2 sequences or do I only have time for 1?". Therefore,
on the difficuulty question, I think Masters and FAI P should track the same
target difficulty. Jumping from Masters to FAI forces the pilot to
accept a lot of new issues that AMA doesn't deal with. But the top AMA
class should allow flying the same difficulty without the rest of the
baggage. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the other hand, if Masters is
not a stepping stone class to FAI then why have it at all? Is the
baggage really that great? In practice, pilots usually hone their
skills in Masters until they have achieved some success before going to FAI,
but that simply has created a division based on skill but not
difficulty. this is a tough question too, but since most contests I
see have more in Masters than FAI (or at least equal numbers) I think our
country supports the need for 2 classes even when the difficulty is the same
(as it is now).</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However, designing sequences
that actually feel equivalent in difficulty is very difficult. Just
counting Kfactors is not enough. Equivalent KF's can be found in
manuvers that have only straight lines and radiuses and in rolling
manuvers. Rarely can that target be hit, so sometimes two sequences
intended to be similar in difficulty will fly a bit different. One or
the other may feel more difficult but over the years with multiple sequence
cycles one should be able to say they are essentially equivalent. Our
AMA sequences build skills so that when we get to Masters we have enough
fundamentals to fly any sequence in the KFactor range
prescribed. Remember, most countries don't have an AMA
equivalent. If you want to fly pattern, you start learning FAI P
patterns. It is fortunate we have our system so that people of all
abilities can find enjoyment and those that have super skills can follow a
road that ends at the level of their choosing.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Right now, Masters and FAI P07
are about the same. Once we say Masters is a step below FAI P my guess
is that most Masters pilots will feel ripped off.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since AMA exists in this country
for us alone we should do what the majority desires, however the opinion of
the currently active Masters and FAI competitors is of particular
interest. Therefore it might be nice to identify your active class
participation in any response you might care to make.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Lance</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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[NSRCA-discussion] Stiring up the Masters 2009
Sequencediscussionagain...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is the intent/purpose to
still have some progress from Masters to FAI or to have Master at a
similar complex level with the intent of some staying in Masters as the
top out Schedule? For some advanced is the highest they will get.
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[NSRCA-discussion] Stiring up the Masters 2009 Sequence
discussionagain...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A while back Derek asked the
membership if they wanted to stick with the 2009 Masters sequence that
was proposed in 2005 or change to a newly designed sequence that
addresses concerns some people had regarding the sequence. Apparently
some pilots feel there are too many snaps or some such complaints, I'm
not really sure.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the time I was not able
to go fly the sequences and thus I had no response, however, I now have
flown the sequences and have some comments.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My first observation is that
six of the eleven centered maneuvers are the same so much of the content
of the patterns are identical. My second observation is that each
sequence has maneuvers I think would be more "fun" or "challenging" than
the other. If I had to put numbers to it I'd say there are three
maneuvers in the 2005 proposed sequence that I'd miss if we went with
the newly proposed schedule and six maneuvers in the new schedule that
I'd miss if we went with the original 2005 proposed schedule.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'd also say that IMHO both
of these schedules are easier than the 2007 schedule and my initial
impression was that the inverted entries have been reduced. I short, it
seems that the schedules have been watered down from what we currently
have. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will have no complaints
flying either schedule, but if I were to choose between the two I'd
select the newly proposed schedule; not to placate those that object to
the 2005 proposed schedule because I feel there's nothing wrong with it;
but because I think the newly proposed schedule is more
interesting.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, I'd like to comment
that I feel that the Advanced schedule for 2007 was too watered down and
does not prepare pilots for the 2007 Masters schedule. I hope when
designing the schedules we aren't trying to make Masters easier so the
jump from Advanced is not as big. If the jump is too big then we should
increase the level of the Advance pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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