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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah I remember when we worked on the sequences
that we're flying now. One of the criteria for 401 and to a lesser degree 402
was that the sequence could be flown with something other than the latest state
of the art design. I think we succeeded. Take a 40-size Ugly Stik to the field
and fly 401 and 402 with it. You should be able to. OK, it may not look as
pretty as it does with a 2-meter but it is possible. Once you get into 403, 404
or F3A you shouldn't expect as much of a break. After all, this is a form of
competition.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davel322@comcast.net href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">Dave
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 27, 2007 5:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CB member
RFC on ProposedMastersSequence for 2009/2010</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been involved
with the sequence committees pretty regularly for close to 20 yrs now.
It has always been a struggle to get feedback BEFORE and DURING the process of
developing new sequences (commentary after development has always been far
more voluminous). Recent sequence efforts have been as or more attentive
than in the past, and the amount of data/input to base the new sequences on
has been more than in the past. The simple fact is that the average
plane at the average contest is capable of more demanding maneuvers than in
the past. So yes, this is reflected in part by more difficult sequences,
but mostly it is a reflection of the input from those in the pattern community
that completed the survey and took the time to interact with the volunteers
that worked on the new sequences. Care has been taken to keep the entry
level from escalating. Obsolescence has never been a
goal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K. Rykert<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, July 27, 2007 3:46
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] CB member RFC on Proposed MastersSequence for
2009/2010</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Vance..</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I
do have a couple of thoughts I need to share with your statement in reference
to equipment. Are you under the assumption that all competitors are
using digital servos and 1.60 or supercharged engines? Their was a time,
in the not to distant past, when maneuvers were not created that mandated the
latest and greatest equipment to fly them. Is it your intent and or that of
the NSRCA to make older equipment intentionally obsolete except in the entry
classes? </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: "Lance Van Nostrand"
<</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:41
AM</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CB
member RFC on Proposed Masters Sequence for
2009/2010</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">> I'm on the contest board and
there are more active pattern pilots on it now <BR>> than ever
before. The recent change to 2 year cycles also happened with a <BR>>
breakup of contest boards. Our board is exclusively to approve pattern.
<BR>> Can't get much more focused than that. The process is
cumbersome and I <BR>> can't say I endorse it, but I'm going to work with
it so the board support <BR>> pattern and the collective wishes of the
NSRCA.<BR>> <BR>> The timeline is in the AMA CB Procedures doc, which I
have in front of me <BR>> right now. There are many steps but the
critical ones are simple:<BR>> Basic (initial) Proposals submitted by Sept
30<BR>> Dec 15, prelim votes by CB cast (1st cut to see which proposals are
properly <BR>> formed and should continue)<BR>> Mar 1, Cross proposal
deadline (alternate proposals accepted to achieve an <BR>> approved initial
proposal)<BR>> May 15, Final ballots sent to CB and final vote is
completed<BR>> Jan 1, new rules take effect.<BR>> <BR>>>From this
you can see that the process takes about 1 year and 3 months. <BR>>
Proposals in this Sept (07) take effect Jan 09.<BR>> <BR>> This is the
"normal" cycle, but there are off cycle proposals of type <BR>> safety,
emergency, urgent or interpretation. I don't know about the board,
<BR>> but I'm totally open to any and all proposals as the workload to
read, take <BR>> the pulse of my district and vote/comment is far less than
keeping up with <BR>> this list!<BR>> <BR>> Comment on
sequences:<BR>> *All sequences have squeezes and rough spots. The
more we worry about them <BR>> the harder it is to change sequences when we
want to. Fly them as best you <BR>> can and try to do better than the
next guy.<BR>> <BR>> *Masters should never conciously trend to easier
sequences. Sure one may be <BR>> easier than the last, but this
shouldn't trend. It should be held at a <BR>> constant difficulty at
least, and other classes are stepping stones to it. <BR>> The jump from
Advanced to Masters last time was not enough as we beat that <BR>> to death
on the list. Now we've swung the other way. Shouldn't we balance
<BR>> the steps, not change the target difficulty level?. Now let me
take this a <BR>> bit farther (maybe too far) The Masters sequence we flew
a few years ago <BR>> with YS120SCs were the same difficulty as the current
sequences we now fly <BR>> with 1.60 2 strokes and improved supercharged 4
strokes. Airplane design <BR>> has improved and so have the computer
radios. We used to have coreless <BR>> servos, now digital.
Consider that maybe we should have harder sequences if <BR>> we want to
compare ourselves to our predecessors.<BR>> <BR>> *I think the current
feeling is that Sports, Int, Adv should change less <BR>> frequently than
Masters since designing building blocks is much harder than <BR>> single
sequences and many pilots move up after a few years. What I've heard
<BR>> as the goal is to change the stepping classes no faster than every 4
years, <BR>> but change Masters every 2.<BR>> <BR>> *Let's not
reorient the sequences to accommodate a new technology.<BR>> <BR>> I do
not want to form my opinion in a vacuum so feel free to comment.<BR>>
--Lance<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Mark
Atwood" <</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing
List" <</SPAN></FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">><BR>> Sent: Thursday, July
26, 2007 12:20 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters
Sequence for 2009/2010<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Ron (RVP), Can you
lay out for all of us the chronology of what has to<BR>>> happen to get
a new sequence in?<BR>>><BR>>> I think this would be enlightening
to most as to what a PITA it is <BR>>> calendar<BR>>> time
wise.<BR>>><BR>>> I.e. To put the process in place that Ed is
suggesting, I think would put <BR>>> a<BR>>> new sequence out at
least 4 years from the "start" of creating it.<BR>>><BR>>> So I'd
be curious to see the timeline..<BR>>><BR>>> "We need a new
sequence..." - Day 1<BR>>><BR>>> Form a committee - x weeks or
months<BR>>><BR>>> Create sequence - X
Months<BR>>><BR>>> Review by NSRCA Board/put out for survey - X
Months<BR>>><BR>>> Blah blah blah...<BR>>><BR>>> AND
THEN...work backwards for the AMA process...<BR>>><BR>>>
Submission to the AMA for the 20XX year rules has to occur years before
it<BR>>> goes into effect (prelim vote, changes, final vote,
publication, etc etc)<BR>>><BR>>> I think Ron has a feel for the
required process, but I'd love to hear what<BR>>> the beginning to "in
effect" time lag is for a new sequence under the AMA<BR>>> rules
process.<BR>>><BR>>> -M<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On
7/26/07 11:59 AM, "Ed Alt" <</SPAN></FONT><A
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ed_alt@hotmail.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> Doug:<BR>>>> I agree that we
should not have a panel of non-enthusiasts in charge of <BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> actual sequence design. I don't think I stated my point
too well. The <BR>>>> SIG<BR>>>> does contain the best
source of knowledge to construct sequences. Given <BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> right structure to how the committee is formed and how
their work <BR>>>> overseen<BR>>>> is what is
criitical. I don't think NSRCA has this process quite right
<BR>>>> yet.<BR>>>> This isn't meant to
criticize anyone, but I think that more thought has <BR>>>>
to<BR>>>> be put into how we manage the process in the
future.<BR>>>><BR>>>> It seems to me that the Sequence
Committee work should first pass muster<BR>>>> with the NSRCA board,
who should review it to make sure that it certain<BR>>>> criteria are
met, not whether personally like it or not. What is that<BR>>>>
criteria? That needs to be better defined. It appears to take the
form <BR>>>> of<BR>>>> tribal knowledge. One attempt to put
some structure to evaluating a <BR>>>> sequence<BR>>>> is
via a tool that Dave Lockhart developed , which I think is very
<BR>>>> useful.<BR>>>> However, is this developed to the
point it needs to be? Whatever method <BR>>>>
we<BR>>>> use to create and evaluate should be well understood and
applied<BR>>>> consistently.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Beyond
how we establish consistency within our SIG, it seems that the
EC<BR>>>> role ought to be to review that their flock of SIGS
followed AMA <BR>>>> guidelines<BR>>>> for producing their
work, not to define exactly how they produce the work<BR>>>> product
(the sequences in this case). So, the EC should demand that the
<BR>>>> SIG<BR>>>> has a defined procedure and that the SIG
leadership has assured <BR>>>> compliance<BR>>>> through
their oversight and ultimately, their signatures on the
product.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Ed<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> From: Doug Cronkhite
<</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">seefo@san.rr.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">><BR>>>>> Reply-To:
NSRCA Mailing List <</SPAN></FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">><BR>>>>> To: NSRCA
Mailing List <</SPAN></FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">><BR>>>>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for
2009/2010<BR>>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:04:26
-0700<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Just because you CAN change them
every year doesn't mean you have to or<BR>>>>> should. I agree
with you that the lower classes should have some<BR>>>>> stability
so newer pilots have a chance to build the foundation the<BR>>>>>
higher classes require.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> I think the
SIG should absolutely have control of the schedules, as
the<BR>>>>> people leading the SIG are generally actively involved
in the sport.<BR>>>>> Other than Tony Stillman, are any of the EC
active in pattern? Because<BR>>>>> if they're not, then I don't
think they can make an accurate assessment<BR>>>>> of the needs of
the SIG. Tony may be the only one on the EC who even<BR>>>>> flies
anything on a regular basis now.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
-Doug<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> I like variety in schedules
too, but I think there is a balance to<BR>>>>>> strike with the
lower classes. It's a lot of effort each year to<BR>>>>>>
learn a new sequence. Once you have enough experience
flying<BR>>>>>> aerobatics, you can focus on new sequences
without detracting from the<BR>>>>>> other improvements you
want to make.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Re. giving the
SIG all the control, I would not want to see that<BR>>>>>>
happen. In the case of IMAC, the SIG leadership became very
IAC<BR>>>>>> centric and made changes that work against being
able to learn<BR>>>>>> fundamentals before moving up, in favor
a being a carbon copy<BR>>>>>> miniature of IAC. Just
look at what the IMAC lower class sequences<BR>>>>>> now
contain and consider what problems they represent for
learning<BR>>>>>> fundamentals. I think you need an
effective counterbalance to help<BR>>>>>> keep sanity to the
sequence design.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Ed<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
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