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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There was. When Expert was deleted those
flying the class were allowed to drop back to Advance if they wanted to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>J N Hiller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 27, 2007 2:49
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
AMA Sequences</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi All.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I didn’t remember how Expert Turnaround came
about so I dug out my old rulebooks last night.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>As stated in a previous e-Mail the schedules were
Novice, Sportsman, Advanced, Masters (12-M K=42 Ka=3.5), and Expert Turnaround
(17-M K=36 Ka=2.12). I found this class structure in the 1990 / 91 rulebook. In
an effort to better understand the evolution of this I checked adjacent
rulebooks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The 1988 / 89 schedules were Novice, Sportsman,
Advanced, Expert (M-13 K=42 Ka=3.23) and Masters. This appears to have been the
last year Masters fliers built their own schedule. 12 airborne maneuvers
(takeoff & landing were not judged), from a list of 37 available, that gave
a minimum of 450 points (M-12 K=45 minimum Ka=3.75). <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The 1992 / 93 (first full turnaround year) schedules
were <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:red'>Novice (M-9 K=15 Ka=1.67</span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>), </span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:green'>Sportsman
(M-11 K=21 Ka=1.91</span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>), </span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=purple face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:purple'>Advanced (M-15 K=31 Ka=2.07</span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>) and </span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Masters (M-23
K=66 Ka=2.87</span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>). <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sportsman and Advanced both exited the box for
reorientation during the sequence and all classes had scored takeoff and
landing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>At first glance it appears that the 90/91 Masters with
a somewhat higher average K-factor was comparable to the previous Expert and
the Expert turnaround was to test the ‘Turnaround’ waters and the
following rule cycle dropped Expert initiating the 4-class venue we now fly. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>2007 <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:red'>Sportsman (M-17 K=26 Ka=1.53</span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>), </span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:green'>Intermediate
(M-19 K=41 Ka=2.16</span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>), </span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#993366'>Advanced (M-19 K=48 Ka=2.53</span></font></span><span
class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>) and </span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Masters (M-23
K=67 Ka=2.91</span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Things of interest:<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I included the average K-Factor as a general reference
because the higher total K-Factor resulting from added maneuvers in the lower
classes. As pointed out in other posts the total or average K-Factor may be a
poor indicator of overall difficulty. I guess if you can fly your schedule
inverted, schedules with several inverted maneuvers would be less challenging.
K-Factors don’t appear to include inverted flight difficulty. I hope I
got all those numbers right. I am accustomed to computers generating numbers
for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks for the trip back guys. It has been a fun trip,
both ways. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I hope you find something of interest in this. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Richards<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 27, 2007 3:12
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
AMA Sequences</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
flyers flew F3A, leaving AMA Masters a bit thin. It was very common to
have the Expert and Masters classes combined (and flying the Expert
schedule). The combination of reduced overflight and reduced noise with
F3A turnaround was very forward thinking and did much to save flying
fields. Many liked the idea of turnaround, but starting at the top class
was a tall order. Ergo, the introduction of AMA Expert Turnaround –
but it was never intended to be a permanent class, just a transitional class.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
Dave Lcokhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>twtaylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:51
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
AMA Sequences</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“Expert Turn Around“during
that time was the only AMA class that flew turn around and inside the box. The
current advance is about the same as it was. So for some odd reason they
decided to delete Expert TA and change all classes to turn around and Expert
got renamed Advanced. Expert TA schedule was almost identical to the first
version of FAI. A lot of contests then didn’t fly FAI as it wasn’t
an AMA class. Most fliers back then were dead set against flying Turn Around.
The powers to be didn’t listen and went with it anyway. Probably the best
decision but back then it sure caused a lot of fights.Go figure<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Verne Koester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:37
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
AMA Sequences</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We used
to have that in a class called Expert, but too many CD's were eating trophy's
for lack of contestants. I've developed schedules before and know exactly what
you were dealing with. My personal opinion is that you did it as well as it can
be done within the parameters. I'm not a big fan of changing the schedules
below masters if they're teaching the lessons to be learned. The schedules
below masters aren't and shouldn't be designed for someone to camp there. The
goal is to learn what you need on your way to masters or fai with the
realization that there will still be plenty more to learn once you get there. I
like Jon Lowe's idea of flying the schedule upside down if you're bored. You'll
quickly find that the only part of that that gets tricky, and sometimes dicey,
are the rolling maneuvers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:phelps15@comcast.net" title="phelps15@comcast.net">Bill
Pritchett</a> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
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font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Thursday, July 26, 2007
5:14 PM</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] AMA Sequences</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Verne-</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks!
So ...... is it possible to keep that Sportsman schedule and change
Intermediate on a pretty regular basis and still address the process of
preparation??? I think it is.... I'm of the opinion that there is
nothing wrong with someone flying Intermediate year after year if that
addresses their interest, preparation, and skill level.
Ideally, all sequences would prepare for the next level. The difficulty
in addressing this in the Advanced/Masters situation is that Advanced needs to
be the step up from Intermediate and Masters needs to be challenging enough to
address the many flyers that don't go on to FAI <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>and yet</span></font></b></strong>, prepare Masters
pilots for FAI! It's really a very complicated domino effect.
In looking at all the schedules, it appears to me that we are missing
a class between Advanced and Masters.....used to be between Intermediate
and Advanced..... that's the educator in me talking. Using the
four AMA classes, it's really difficult to have the nice step we have now from
Sportsman to Intermediate at all levels....... it is, however, with exchanges
like we're having now, possible!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com" title="verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne
Koester</a> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Thursday, July 26, 2007
4:39 PM</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] AMA Sequences</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bill,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My
personal opinion from the judges chair is that you guys created the best
Sportsman schedule we've ever had. It's the only one I've ever seen since we
went to all-turnaround that prepares a new pilot for the next step. Just my
opinion.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:phelps15@comcast.net" title="phelps15@comcast.net">Bill
Pritchett</a> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
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title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Thursday, July 26, 2007
4:01 PM</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> [NSRCA-discussion]
AMA Sequences</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>As a
member of <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Troy</st1:City></st1:place></st1:place></st1:City>'s committee a
couple years ago, allow me to share the following thoughts:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-yes,
we need to eliminate the 2 year rule and give ourselves the option of changing
AMA event schedules as we desire;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-yes,
the jump is bigger now from Advanced to Masters. At the time, the
overwhelming opinion was that the jump used to be too big to Advanced from
Intermediate;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-yes,
the lower classes need to change as well as Masters. I could possibly be
convinced that Sportsman stay the same, but if we want to include an element of
NSRCA retention into this thread, then the needs of the flyer that doesn't
practice much, have the "right" equipment, etc. should be able to
come to a few contests a year in Intermediate, have fun, and go on.... In
order for that person to maintain interest, the schedule for Intermediate would
need to be changed as well. For those "moving through" the
lower classes, this isn't an issue since it's new to them anyway, regardless of
the schedule. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-yes,
the place to start with this would be at the EC level of AMA</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
title="derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</a> </span></font><font
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
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title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Thursday, July 26, 2007
3:48 PM</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Since the
majority of the contest board are active pattern pilots, perhaps we can
petition the AMA EC (thru Steve Kaluf) to discuss these concerns so that we can
then put in a proposal to have the sequences removed. I'm in full
agreement with what is being discussed with regard to the time frames - it is
not conducive to allowing the SIGs that modify/add rules/sequences to do it
within a time frame that benefits our members. <br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><span class=gmailquote><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>On 7/26/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Mark Atwood</span></b>
<<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
5.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hey Ed,<br>
<br>
Not trying to argue a moot point, but you commented that "even if it does<br>
take 2 years, it really doesn't have to"... That's the part I
think you're <br>
missing.<br>
<br>
Even IF we could create, test,survey and decide on a new sequence in a<br>
DAY...the AMA REQUIRES it 2 years in advance of it being flown.<br>
<br>
So the solution we are offering is to remove the sequences as part of the <br>
"Rules"...that would allow us to use a process as you describe to<br>
efficiently alter a sequence. So basically...I agree with you 100%...we<br>
need a good process. But the best process is still stymied if we
have to <br>
push it through an AMA rule change cycle.<br>
<br>
As it stands now, a rule change submitted in October of this year...wouldn't<br>
have a chance of being included in the rules until January of
2011. I find<br>
that to be absurd...but that's the guideline that the AMA has in place. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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