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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ron, thanks for admitting that you felt you know better than
the NSRCA membership and that we should just take your decisions for the better
of pattern. And we wonder why the organization is in trouble? We wonder why
people become disengaged, and quit pattern, and quit the NSRCA. All
organizations begin to fail when the leadership doesn't listen to the
members.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It was not a pot shot. As you confirmed it is a 100% fact that
this is what happened. My concern is that this sequence thing is the same deal.
Membership voted but you guys know what you are doing so we will trust you on
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for the opportunity to clear that up. The NSRCA Board
members do really work for the good of pattern flyers we just don't know it yet.
I'm sure as with all history that is written by the victorious things will work
out for the best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>By the way we are just like little children that can't make an
informed decision its a good thing you are there to protect us from ourselves.
Just to be clear your outrage at the fact that I called a spade a spade is
surprising as that is what actually happened. Perhaps the History could be
written with the truth rather than your outrage regarding a member of the
pattern community and a member of this list calling you on your policy and your
actions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>We thank you for your service. Or I'm sure somebody
does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
Masters Sequence for 2009/2010</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm going to make two statements on this and will not respond
to pot shots again.
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<DIV>ANY AMA member may submit a rule change proposal or be one of the
proposal signers. I signed the proposal on takeoff and landing because I
thought it was a good idea and still do. The fact that I was an NSRCA
board member did not preclude my acting as an individual.</DIV>
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<DIV>The proposed Master maneuver sequence I received could not be flown as
written.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Wayne wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>what would you call it when the membership votes for or
against something like this sequence and the Board changes its mind. This
would not be considered doing as it pleases?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Oh wait you were one of the people that submitted the
change for Takeoff and landings to go to 0 or 10 a couple years ago. At the
same time the membership of the NSRCA overwhelmingly wanted it left the
way it was. This was done while you were NSRCA VP and while the membership
voted in a survey to keep it the way it was. We all know that the
membership then created an uprising and it was changed back this year.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Was this a case of an NSRCA board member doing something
against the wishes of the membership or am I mistaken?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Ron did you sign the rule proposal for changing
Takeoff and Landing or not? According to the records at AMA you were one of
the 3 AMA members to make the proposal. When you signed this proposal did
you remember that the membership's vote had been published in the KF just
a month before the deadline to submit your proposal? Since you as an
officer and member of the board did not do as you pleased on this issue,
what would you call doing this in direction contravention to a member
vote?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I suspect that this is what has people like me a
little fired up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The membership voted on a sequence for masters 2009.
They had two choices and they chose one. A select few people obviously don't
like the choice so now Derek is asking for a new vote? Doesn't this sound
like we are asking the membership for a new opinion and that opinion is
going to be internet related and not a reflection of the NSRCA membership
like the Kfactor published survey was.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>By the way the sequence works. I just went through it with
my stick plane. The Humpty with options in #5 says 1/2 rolls or 1/4 rolls up
and down. So this version would be 1/2 roll up and 1/2 roll down or 1/4 roll
up and 1/4 roll down. Doing this the sequence works 100% and can be flown as
written. In fact I like it and voted for it at the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>I'm getting fed up with the
people who claim that the NSRCA board does whatever it pleases, damn the
constituents. There might be those who would try to placate those
who complain, but I've never been politically correct and not about
to start now. </SPAN>
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<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>What "current political climate" is
being referred to here? Let's get it out in the open so we can talk
about it like big boys.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>Also, what's with this "NSRCA just
decides what it wants to do and does it"? Who is being referred
to? Be specific.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>And what's with "Wasn't the idea of
filling out a survey with 2007 and 2009 masters sequences on it the idea
to jump ahead of the cycle and get it done way before hand." I
assume the writer wants us to propose a maneuver sequence that is
impossible to perform. Or maybe he'd like to show us how it's done
the way it's written.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>The comment, "Apparently the work done last time once praised as good
is now old news and the powers that be need to make a new legacy for
themselves." I think it's time that the writer run for district
VP and show the rest of the board how it's supposed to be
done.</DIV>
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<DIV>End of rant for now.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
<DIV>NSRCA VP</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 26, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Wayne wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=2>John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>there seems to be a tone to the current political
climate. NSRCA management determined they know better than the
membership who voted for something. And then there is the other issues
regarding the NSRCA's high road, holy above all sanctioning
activities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Obviously history is written by the winners. Its too
bad that NSRCA just decides what it wants to do and does it. I thought
it used to be a democratic society. A vote of the membership meant this
was direction the Board should take. Apparently when you don't like the
vote you just take another one. After all this is what the dems tried to
do in Florida.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wasn't the idea of filling out a survey with 2007 and
2009 masters sequences on it the idea to jump ahead of the cycle and get
it done way before hand. Yet it seems the NSRCA management has
undermined the work of a few in order to write history in favor of
another few who complain loudly enough. Funny how the majority of people
writing the new sequence are all from the same area of the country. This
is fair and balanced.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I think you are right John. Pattern in the NSRCA has
reached critical mass why would anyone want to come play with
us. Having known people involved and in this case Troy, I doubt
seriously he stopped working on this do to not having 100% of his time
available for the re-write. I bet the real story will come out someday.
Some people have morals and ethics and others well they write the
history books.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Apparently the work done last time once praised as
good is now old news and the powers that be need to make a new legacy
for themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=johnferrell@earthlink.net
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 26, 2007
3:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I (and others I think) got pretty bored
with practicing the same old stuff. While I took a break I developed
enough minor health problems to keep me side lined indefinitely.
Others found other things to do. D2 attendance is now below critical
mass. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the choice is to hurry to Masters or
quit playing then I suppose I need to just do the best I can with
Masters and let it go at that!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It really doesn't matter, the rules are
made by individuals who have the political clout not the governing
committees. Whoever controls the agenda has veto power and anonymity.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR> around the
stumps"<BR><A href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Mark Atwood</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 26, 2007
8:45 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed Masters Sequence for 2009/2010</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hear hear.<BR><BR>I’m not generally a
proponent of changing the lower classes all the time (the intent is
that they not be destination classes...I also know the reality of
that so please, no hate mail) But I’m a HUGE HUGE HUGE fan of being
ABLE to change them every year...i.e. Removing the patterns from the
AMA rulebook and allowing the Sig to post the schedules that will be
in effect in a given year.<BR><BR>I think you’ll find ALL of the
contest board members would vote “Yea” for that if they ever got the
chance to...<BR><BR>The advantages are so many I can’t even begin to
list them.<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>On 7/26/07 8:37 AM, "John Ferrell"
<<A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face=Arial>Are you
certain that you really can change the schedule without waiting
out the rules cycle?<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial>The
lower classes had to endure 6 years of the same schedule because
the Contest Board refused to act on anything other than emergency
proposals in the interim. Many of the Advanced flyers elected just
to stand down. <BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial>You
have just pointed to advantage the IMAC discipline has over
Pattern with AMA...<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial>I
hope you can pull it off because the existing conditions are
detrimental to the game.<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>John Ferrell
W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to plow
<BR> around the
stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Derek Koopowitz <A
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"><mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List' <A
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<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:26
PM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed Masters Sequence for
2009/2010<BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Over the past couple of months we (the NSRCA board)
have received a number of comments about the Masters
sequence that was selected in 2005. We heard that
the sequence had too many snaps, turnaround maneuvers did
not allow positioning of the plane (in or out) after the
5th maneuver, and that the difficulty level from Advanced to
Masters was further increased. There was also an
error in the schedule in that one would come out of the
Double Immelman (#10) inverted and head into the Humpty
Bump (pull-push-pull) and head into the ground based on
the description. The Masters schedule was published
in the July 2005 issue of the K-Factor (Option A on page
25) - in </FONT><FONT
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