<div>I had a long conversation with Steve Kaluf at the Nats about this. Steve is still dead set against it - his reasoning being that the 2 year cycle, the emergency proposal process, and the ability to update the rule book online (fix it as we go along) are much easier now than they were several years ago. He said that if a proposal did come in to move the schedules and maneuver descriptions out of the rule book then he'd go to the EC with it and that he'd doubt it would fly with them. The AMA wants the official rule book to be the source of all rules - the IMAC SIG used the argument that they need to change their schedules every year because they emulate full-scale sequences. Has anyone looked over their sequences to see how closely they follow full-scale? :)
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<div>If we do put in a proposal to remove the schedules and it does go before the EC then I think the NSRCA should have representation at that meeting to plead our case.<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/26/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ron Van Putte</b> <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Some may remember that, several years ago, I proposed that NSRCA be allowed to take the maneuver schedules out of the rule book and change them when we wanted to, just like IMAC can. The proposal was shot down by the AMA Executive Council. It was never accepted to be voted on by the contest board. I never got a satisfactory response on why they took that action. I have my suspicions that IMAC pulled a fast one on AMA in getting their ability to change schedules when they wanted and didn't want NSRCA to have the same privilege. It would be interesting to see if the EC has changed its mind.
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<div>On Jul 26, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hear hear.<br><br>I'm not generally a proponent of changing the lower classes all the time (the intent is that they not be destination classes...I also know the reality of that so please, no hate mail) But I'm a HUGE HUGE HUGE fan of being ABLE to change them every year...i.e. Removing the patterns from the AMA rulebook and allowing the Sig to post the schedules that will be in effect in a given year.
<br><br>I think you'll find ALL of the contest board members would vote "Yea" for that if they ever got the chance to...<br><br>The advantages are so many I can't even begin to list them.<br><br>-M<br><br><br>On 7/26/07 8:37 AM, "John Ferrell" <
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<blockquote type="cite"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><font face="Arial">Are you certain that you really can change the schedule without waiting out the rules cycle?<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font>
<font face="Arial">The lower classes had to endure 6 years of the same schedule because the Contest Board refused to act on anything other than emergency proposals in the interim. Many of the Advanced flyers elected just to stand down.
<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font face="Arial">You have just pointed to advantage the IMAC discipline has over Pattern with AMA...<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font>
<font face="Arial">I hope you can pull it off because the existing conditions are detrimental to the game.<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br>John Ferrell W8CCW<br>"Life is easier if you learn to plow
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