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<DIV>I have taken my responses to others "off line" but since my name has been
specifically brought up in this note, I will again respond to the group. I
thought this dead horse had been beaten enough!</DIV>
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<DIV>I AM NOT UPSET!!!! I am just using this example of how a CD can get in
trouble by NOT following the published information. Why does someone have to be
upset to point out a percieved problem?</DIV>
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<DIV>For me, this was a unique situation. I had a birthday party for my 3 yr old
grandson to attend in Greenwich, CT on Saturday. With the contest in Hadley, MA
I had given some thought to attending it Sunday, but had decided against it
several days earlier, so I was NOT directly affected by it at all. </DIV>
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<DIV>I have never gone to the second day of a 2 day contest, and would not plan
to, but I HAVE attended a few that HAVE had this happen. a couple years ago I
was at one that had a new pilot come in on Sunday and he was denied entrance to
the contest, and not permitted to fly!!! That too is wrong!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Maybe I am just old fashion. I like to see everyone follow the rules. And
just for the record...this is the 3rd time I have written this...If I had been
one of the pilots there Saturday, I probably WOULD have voted the way everyone
else did...but only after making the CD aware of the potential problem with the
decision.</DIV>
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<DIV>The reasons for changing are all good reasons, tying up the club field,
lack of income, needed manpower, etc, but it still violates the rule of Doing
what has been published. Think about the new comer who may not be able to make
it Sat but can make Sunday...He certainly does not have the forsite to call the
CD to see if he has changed the 2 day event to a 1 day. Why would he even think
that might happen? He would have very good grounds for a formal complaint. That
is the ONLY point I am attempting to get everyone to understand!!! We are trying
to get new blood into the sport and this could be very damaging. As it stands,
noone was hurt. I don't think anyone is mad or upset, except a few who are livid
with me for even bringing it up.</DIV>
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<DIV>Maybe everyone would rather just keep their head in the sand and pretend
that this could never be a problem!</DIV>
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<DIV>On one thread a comparison was made to scheduling a "2 day" event, but it
was really a 1 day with the Sunday reserved as a rain date. That is certainly
NOT the same thing as a SCHEDULED 2 day contest!</DIV>
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<DIV>Ken: If you want to aim the arrow, take it off line and I'll be glad to
converse with you directly!</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:04:31 -0500 "Ken Thompson" <<A
href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net">mrandmrst@comcast.net</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not disputing that fact, rules are rules.
The "arrow" was meant for Terry who seemed extremely upset that a contest
layout was changed without his knowledge, and that he "may" have traveled to
that contest on the second day, which we all know wasn't held. I
understand that all of the rules are meant to be followed, I wouldn't have it
any other way, but in certain cases "maybe" a allowance of flexibility needs
to be entertained. I don't believe the rules allow this, at the moment,
however, it's certainly worth discussing in the future.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For the record, I don't mean to call Terry out on
this subject, I understand his concerns, however, the rules may be a little
vague on this subject, I'm going to check before the feedback
hits.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And just so you know, Del, if I had an issue with
your take on this subject, I'd let you know, I'm not one to hold much
in.;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was
"contest" Small Contest Idea</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Ken</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Don't know "who" your arrow is
meant for Ken, but rules are rules for <EM>ALL</EM> to follow... all
the time... I am just making others that maybe aren't aware or others may
even think it is ok to break the rules. If we stop following the
rules, or only pick and choose which rules on a given day we decide to
follow how is that help the growth of pattern. People that are new or
1st time entering may have read the rules come to expect that the
organization does follow the rules. I for one, hate to see some, start to
condone that the rules are their to use when they see fit.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mrandmrst@comcast.net href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net">Ken
Thompson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was
"contest" Small Contest Idea</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I remember Arch telling me about that
contest, and it sounded like you guys all had a great time. I
just can't imagine anyone complaining that "you didn't follow the
advertised agenda, so I'm calling the AMA".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not speaking of anyone in particular...ok,
maybe I am...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Mark Atwood</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Was
"contest" Small Contest Idea</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR>Reading this thread reminded me of a contest
that Arch Stafford had a few years back where we had a total of 9 or 10
people show up 3 of which were local sportsman pilots. We had a
full spread too, with 1 or 2 in each class. It didn’t make
much sense to hold a traditional contest but we were all there to have
some pattern “fun”. Soooooo... We made it a 2 class contest.
The sportsman pilots each flew 2 rounds at a time (One takeoff and
landing), with lots of feedback (the entire group judged each flight)
and they had a very competitive well judged event. <BR><BR>The
rest of us ALL flew the advanced pattern, with Handicaps.
FAI got –1pt per maneuver, Masters –1/2pt, Advanced
flew it straight up, and Intermediate pilots got +1pts.
<BR><BR>It was not only a lot of fun (Everyone but the
advanced guys were flying an unknown for the most part) but it also was
a VERY tight contest. I don’t recall who won...didn’t really
matter. <BR><BR>No..it didn’t follow the advertised sanctioned
contest, but it was great fun, competitive, a very good
learning/practicing event, and it made the best from the turnout we
had.<BR><BR>-Mark</SPAN></FONT>
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