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<DIV>Terry:</DIV>
<DIV>It's deviations from the rules that are discussed. Anyway, following
your line of reasoning here, the next thing to argue is that the CD flew too
many rounds on Saturday. Suppose he had us fly Sunday as well and put in
one round. Had you shown up on Sunday, you would have had no mathematical
chance to win, unless you could have somehow convinced the CD to start repeating
rounds that were not necessary for the rest of the flyers who did show up at the
advertised time. That would be the case in most contests, for example at
Pocono the week before when we flew 4 rounds on Saturday, except in
Advanced.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would still like to see where it says that you can't shorten the number
of days based on this type of circumstance. I think that if you try to
take away common sense flexibility, some CD's who run events with historically
smaller turnouts may decide to clip the contests from 2 days to 1 day, just to
avoid the possibility of a protest from someone who later claims that they lost
their shot at a trophy because of CD malfeasance. Think about the CD who
has to convince his club helpers that they need to give up their time
again on Sunday to support the possibility that a no-show from somewhere in
the district will suddenly show, all the while knowing full well that most, if
not all of the contestants from day 1 won't even bother to return, as the
results are already mathematically settled.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Re. the almost trip, call the CD the night before and confirm what's
going on. Call a buddy who went Saturday. I would call just to
see if it was worth the trip in terms of rounds already flown vs. rounds
planned.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:amad2terry@juno.com href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Adrien L
Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This is the kind of logic that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am
SURE there is no specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS
wording that says any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance. I
take that to mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I, as a
competitor have the reasonable expectation of going to the event on the second
day and being able to fly, and get judged, and have it count in the
contest!</DIV>
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<DIV>Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, and I can
certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like for all CDs to
be aware that AMA states that you must follow the published statements!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also said in my original post that I nearly made a 2 hour trip for
nothing on Sunday!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <<A
title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh heck, I couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in
the rules where it says a CD can't shorten the contest. I couldn't
find it. I found things like he can't cancel it for low
attendance, which didn't happen. But nothing about clipping a day off
the end after a sufficient number of rounds has been flown, with the consent
of all contestants PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review,
because I don't see it anywhere.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36
PM</DIV>
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contest</DIV>
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<DIV>Del:</DIV>
<DIV>That would have been quite a challenge with no pilots. We got a
full contest in on Saturday. Let's move on, shall we?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry is correct. The CD guidelines are very
clear regarding any changes to a sanctioned event that are advertised.
They do have to follow the format that was advertised. Acts of GOD &
severe weather are acceptable exceptions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Del</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry:</DIV>
<DIV>Ask John about what he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer
possibility. I don't know.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion.
There's a point at which you are putting contestants who did show up
on the advertised start date and time in position where they would
have to incur the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no
useful purpose from their point of view. We got 5 rounds in
without breaking a sweat. That's a complete contest. I think he
made a good decision and he also discussed it with us first.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:amad2terry@juno.com
href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Adrien L Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007
8:25 PM</DIV>
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contest</DIV>
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<DIV>When John made that decision did he consider that there may be
a flyer who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was
one I considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson
in CT, and I gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the
contest. Needless to say, I would have been really P*****d if I had
gotten there just to find out that it had been turned into a one day
affair. That is NOT following AMA guidelines for a contest
adminstration. The CD MUST adhear to the advertised event
schedule.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <<A
title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>>
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<DIV>Del:</DIV>
<DIV>This was actually scheduled as a 2 day contest. Due to
the low attendance, John Tarpinian elected to make it a one day
contest, which worked out quite well.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I agree with George's assessment. It's a really
nice field with some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but
for all practical purposes, they don't exist due to the CD
instructions on how landings are to be scored (anywhere on a very
long runway is a 10). We had a great time flying, the
hospitality from the club was great and overall, it was an event I
will want to return to. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007
9:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi George..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> When/if I can
get back to competing that is a long way to go for a one day
event knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be. I
have never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing.
If they were close by that might make it viable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01,
2007 3:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For all the guys in D1 that
missed the Hadley contest on Saturday I want to express my
disappointment at the absence of your presence at what was a
terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the
N.J. contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and
certainly the premiere performer of the day with really
notable performances from Scott Smith with his new electric
Patriot with the Hacker 60 up front. I felt that everyone flew
well and would have loved to have had more representation in
each class. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Due to the East facing
flightline we didn't get started as early as I would
have liked, but that was probably a blessing in disguise
as we probably would have had a 10 round contest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As it was, the contest was a very
laid-back affair with wonderful temperatures and partly sunny
skies, a little breezy in the P.M., but handled easily by
everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy kibitzing under the
easy-ups all day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The field was freshly mowed and
well prepped for even the lowest of prop clearances ( Walter
Erickson had about 3/4"). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of the enticing features of
this event were the high dollar prizes awarded the winners.
Jim Quinn was overheard celebrating his $6K award for his high
placement in Master's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In spite of my personal ban (
apparently the word had not gotten out) I was allowed to judge
5 rounds in all classes which was very refreshing after all
these years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The kindness extended to me was
very much appreciated as they allowed me to fly a class that I
was totally unqualified for in spite of the fact that I came
in dead last (in a field of one).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great food was in abundance both
lunch and dinner and it was gratus. Nobody went home hungry.
John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable job of putting together
a first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at the end
where everyone went home with something of value (that's in
addition to those high dollar placement awards).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In attendance was the "New Kid"
in D1 competition, David Lampron, who took first in Sportsman
and at 13 years of age is going to be one to watch in the next
couple of years. David has a younger brother, Dean, who I
predict will follow in his brother's footsteps. These 2 kids
are the nicest young guys, respectful and polite to a fault.
David served as a maneuver caller for the judges on many
rounds and a little sister, Kelly worked on the scoring
program ( not as a runner, but the real thing), she must have
been about 9 or 10.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The field is a little tight on
one end and will make you pay attention on your landings, but
the overall surroundings are a very pleasant farmland
paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year,
you really missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star
beside this one on next year's calendar.You'll be glad you
did.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie</FONT></DIV>
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