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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Amir</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just thinking out loud. Torque tends to make the
airplane roll left. Torque aero effects are max at full power and low
airspeed ( vertical ). We normally trim ailerons for one airspeed and
the choice is S & L .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Based on above the airplane should roll right when
you take away the
torque.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=amirneshati@earthlink.net
href="mailto:amirneshati@earthlink.net">Amir Neshati</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
Set-Up</DIV>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
glanced through it...about throttle to aileron mix section. My experience has
been the opposite. I’ve always noticed the airplanes roll slightly to the left
(not right as the article states) when throttle is reduced. I’ve flown
many different sizes, including .60 size, 2 meter stuff and some big
IMAC machines. Even flown quite a few of other people’s planes (some more than
the owners flew themselves </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT>, all built really well by
talented modelers & builders. All rolled left, not right….Torque wants to
roll the plane left when accelerating, the slip stream/pitch factor wants to
roll the plane right at speed, which becomes the dominating force at or near
full speed, so we carry left aileron trim at full throttle, when we throttle
back, the left trim now takes over and rolls the plane to the left….In short,
right aileron needs to be mixed with low throttle. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jim
Woodward<BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:19 AM<BR>To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Set-Up</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Jim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
would like too add to that reading material an article written
by<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Peter Goldsmith regarding trimming seen
here:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=70<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Peter's article is on the far right side of the page
under "special"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">articles. This is on of the best trimming
article I've read and goes a<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">little further than a list of tests to
perform.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Jim W.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">-----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Simes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:45
PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
Set-Up<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">On
Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:39:09 -0700<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">"J
N Hiller" <jnhiller@earthlink.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Hello all, how about a new
subject?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> I am returning to competition after several years
out and wish to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> begin flying Masters. I haven't flown inverted a
lot and find it quite<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> challenging. Reverse point rolls from inverted
got my full attention<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> right away and I can learn to deal with it in
time. The predominant<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> problem I am experiencing is locking on to
horizontal inverted flight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> I am having difficulty releasing the elevator to
the correct amount of<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> down stick. I using about 40% expo and would be
comfortable flying<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> with the CG further back. Before I burn a lot of
fuel trying to master<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> the required stick movement I would like to get
some recommendations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> on set-up and flight trimming.
HELP!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">> Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Jim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
you haven't already, I really recommend going through these
trim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">instructions with your
airplane:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">http://www.nsrca.org/trimA.htm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Simes
simestd@netexpress.com <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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