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<DIV><FONT size=2>you can't run statistical analysis on just one round of
judging. Its impossible</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>All you can have is a comparison of however many judges were
judging that round. You can't prove any trend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You can only play mathematical mumbo jumbo and make it look
like statistics... when its total GARBAGE.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry... the games with statistics makes it look fisheyer to
me than if they hadn't been played.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 10:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5
Going too far.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The NSRCA was not being run by stupid people last year. These
folks are all thoughtful and intelligent. If there was no inappropriate
scoring going on, it would have come out during the statistical analysis of
the scores. <BR><BR>As far as it being a clear message to judge badly....don't
think that's true. It will be a fair contest with proper scores assessed. To
think otherwise is like slapping all the good judges in this game in the
face.<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Leonard Rudy <RUDYL11@YAHOO.COM><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7:47
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.<BR><BR>
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<DIV>John,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> The conflict may have blossomed like a Hockey
Game Conflict, but in the NHL</DIV>
<DIV>those "with the power" hear both sides and let each side present their
case before</DIV>
<DIV>the powers to be assign penalties. After the penalties are imposed,
the player or </DIV>
<DIV>individual still has the right to appeal the decision.</DIV>
<DIV> You say Eric should take whatever the powers to
be want and don't make any</DIV>
<DIV>noise or waves.</DIV>
<DIV> This is a clear message to others who will be
judging at meets in the future. DO NOT GIVE THE GOOD OLD BOYS GROUP
any low or bad scores or you may be on the receiving end of some form of
penalty that you will not like.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Len Rudy</DIV>
<DIV> "Life is easier if you learn to plow around the stumps" or in
other words, do not</DIV>
<DIV>hand out low scores to the Good Old Boys or you will pay dearly for it
one way or</DIV>
<DIV>another. <BR><BR><B><I>Fred Huber <<A
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The penalty does not appear appropriate...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It also sounds like it was not applied in a manner
consistant with the rules system.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=johnferrell@earthlink.net
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=donramsey@gmail.com
href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com">Don Ramsey</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 8:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Chapter-5 Going too far.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have the good fortune to not be involved in
this dispute. I am only aware of the conflict.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not being very good at staying out of
arguments, I offer the following observations:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A heated difference of opinions
occurred.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Every one involved is considered a valuable
asset to the Pattern Game.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Things were said that should not have been
said.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Every one thinks they are right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There was probably at least one (or may be
several) bad call(s) by some one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The conflict blossomed like a Hockey Game
Conflict and the net result was those with the power and responsibility
treated it like a Hockey Game Conflict! A serious "time out" was assigned
to the individual at the focal point of the conflict. It was their duty to
put the problem on ice. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The expectations of the rest of us who value
the game and its players is that right or wrong the referee's call must be
honored. The referee has the power to impose further penalties if the
individual continues to make waves. Right or wrong, this is the was
disputes are handled in the world of competition. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the individual was drawn into the conflict
by goading it is still he who gets the penalty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Conflict resolution is not something that is
natural to the human condition. Conflict is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric needs to take the penalty and get on
with things.Those in power need to accept that the penalty has been
applied and to continue the game.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WE ALL need to be aware that we either play
nice or get sent to the showers! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another factor to consider is that the higher
profile one achieves in this sport the greater the need to hold that
individual to higher standards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric is certainly a "high profile"
player.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn
to plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://dixienc.us/" target=_blank>http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=don.ramsey@suddenlink.net
href="mailto:don.ramsey@suddenlink.net">Don Ramsey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Chapter-5 Going too far.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I would like to thank Eric for the nice complement in
his comment, "<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=2>To
circumvent this conflict of interest problem and to keep the Nationals
above reproach, I steeped out of line and asked Don Ramsey to
independently choose the judges, Dave could not refuse this method, but
I will tell you that he got extremely mad at me for doing
it."</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=2>I must
respond that for good or bad I've been choosing the finals judges for
many years. I started that process when Jeff Hill was Event
Director. It must also be stated that I've never had any
pressure of any kind from contest management regarding who I
choose to judge. I try to pick the best candidates and rotate
those so no single judge can influence the outcome
extradionarly.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don</SPAN></DIV>
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