The NSRCA was not being run by stupid people last year. These folks are all thoughtful and intelligent. If there was no inappropriate scoring going on, it would have come out during the statistical analysis of the scores. <br>
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As far as it being a clear message to judge badly....don't think that's true. It will be a fair contest with proper scores assessed. To think otherwise is like slapping all the good judges in this game in the face.<br>
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Matt Kebabjian<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Leonard Rudy <rudyl11@yahoo.com><br>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7:47 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.<br>
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<div>John,</div>
<div> </div>
<div> The conflict may have blossomed like a Hockey Game Conflict, but in the NHL</div>
<div>those "with the power" hear both sides and let each side present their case before</div>
<div>the powers to be assign penalties. After the penalties are imposed, the player or </div>
<div>individual still has the right to appeal the decision.</div>
<div> You say Eric should take whatever the powers to be want and don't make any</div>
<div>noise or waves.</div>
<div> This is a clear message to others who will be judging at meets in the future. DO NOT GIVE THE GOOD OLD BOYS GROUP any low or bad scores or you may be on the receiving end of some form of penalty that you will not like.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Len Rudy</div>
<div> "Life is easier if you learn to plow around the stumps" or in other words, do not</div>
<div>hand out low scores to the Good Old Boys or you will pay dearly for it one way or</div>
<div>another. <br>
<br>
<B><I>Fred Huber <<A href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</div>
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<div><FONT size=2>The penalty does not appear appropriate...</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT size=2>It also sounds like it was not applied in a manner consistant with the rules system.</FONT></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=johnferrell@earthlink.net href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=donramsey@gmail.com href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com">Don Ramsey</A> ; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 8:12 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.</div>
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<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have the good fortune to not be involved in this dispute. I am only aware of the conflict.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not being very good at staying out of arguments, I offer the following observations:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>A heated difference of opinions occurred.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Every one involved is considered a valuable asset to the Pattern Game.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Things were said that should not have been said.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Every one thinks they are right.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>There was probably at least one (or may be several) bad call(s) by some one.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>The conflict blossomed like a Hockey Game Conflict and the net result was those with the power and responsibility treated it like a Hockey Game Conflict! A serious "time out" was assigned to the individual at the focal point of the conflict. It was their duty to put the problem on ice. </FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>The expectations of the rest of us who value the game and its players is that right or wrong the referee's call must be honored. The referee has the power to impose further penalties if the individual continues to make waves. Right or wrong, this is the was disputes are handled in the world of competition. </FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the individual was drawn into the conflict by goading it is still he who gets the penalty.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Conflict resolution is not something that is natural to the human condition. Conflict is.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric needs to take the penalty and get on with things.Those in power need to accept that the penalty has been applied and to continue the game.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>WE ALL need to be aware that we either play nice or get sent to the showers! </FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another factor to consider is that the higher profile one achieves in this sport the greater the need to hold that individual to higher standards.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric is certainly a "high profile" player.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </div>
<div>John Ferrell W8CCW<br>
"Life is easier if you learn to plow <br>
around the stumps"<br>
<A href="http://dixienc.us/" target=_blank>http://DixieNC.US</A><br>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:32 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Chapter-5 Going too far.</div>
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<div><FONT size=2>I would like to thank Eric for the nice complement in his comment, "<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=2>To circumvent this conflict of interest problem and to keep the Nationals above reproach, I steeped out of line and asked Don Ramsey to independently choose the judges, Dave could not refuse this method, but I will tell you that he got extremely mad at me for doing it."</FONT></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </div>
<div><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=2>I must respond that for good or bad I've been choosing the finals judges for many years. I started that process when Jeff Hill was Event Director. It must also be stated that I've never had any pressure of any kind from contest management regarding who I choose to judge. I try to pick the best candidates and rotate those so no single judge can influence the outcome extradionarly.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don</SPAN></div>
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