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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That surely doesn't happen that often because I've
never seen it happen to one. Now maybe, some of the electric pilots have had it
happen to them, but not often.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Matt Liprie</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The electric airplane is already weighed with its "fuel";
you couldn't add another 20 oz of water and claim it was a fair
comparison with the glow airplane, which is weighed with no fuel.
Second, apparently a deadstick is only supposed to happen to a glow
airplane. What about a "low voltage cutoff" of the ESC? When it
happens, it sure looks like a deadstick to me.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:24 PM, R. LIPRIE wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wonder how this conflict would be if I said
this. If you put a 20oz tank of water in an electric
airplane and had it leak out during the whole flight, as if it were burning
fuel. And the Esc go out about every 15 to 20 flights to resemble a
deadstick landing. It would make it equal between electric
and glow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>______________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Taking off is optional, but landing is
mandatory.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=drmikedds@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr.
Mike Harrison</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its not about money, many kits can make
the weight limit with careful building. I have seen them and they
cost no more than any other pattern plane. I don't think the weight
limit should be changed because of electrics.,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed
the handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative
design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete
with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the
weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the
weight inequity.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did not realize that the Electrics were
in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the
recips under current rules. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you really think they need a little
help by all means give them a rule book boost!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR> around the
stumps"<BR><A href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007
2:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>I just got this response from John Fuqua.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Ron Van Putte</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The guys
are missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on
weight. It is what is permitted by the
rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the rules
allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been
achieved. Please make that
point. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">John</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Ron Van Putte [<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
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size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Sent:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>To:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fuqua John D Mr CTR
USAF 697 ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Subject:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fwd:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and
Rationale</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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