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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Electrics are not buying a win. I've beaten
electrics before, they have beaten me , I've seen plenty glow airplanes beat
electrics and plenty electrics beat glow ,to me it seems like a pretty even
battle. (Along with glows set of disadvantages, electrics carry
disadvantages). This dispute about buying a win is really not necessary,
because its all about the pilot and his experience....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Matt.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del
K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 8:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Is your message that glow is
at a disadvantage? Cost and what some can afford has always and will
always be an issue in this sport. Back when everyone else switched to full 2
meter planes and I stuck with 60 size 2 cycle I could easily see the
disadvantage I was at except in calm air. If that is where electric is
taking the sport then that is another nail in the proverbial coffin for the
sport. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have a built-in problem with someone being able to "buy" a
win. It comes from when I entered the Soapbox Derby as a 14 year
old. In my first race, I was beaten buy a kid who eventually won the
whole race. My dad could afford to buy me an official set of
wheels, but no more. The father of the kid who beat me bought ten sets
of wheels and they were able to select the four best wheels. If a rule
enables only the "rich" to compete successfully with an e-powered airplane,
it gets my hackles up.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron /
John,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> <SPAN>Point
taken. And no offense, but so what? As a kid, I was never the
biggest guy on the playing fields……but I loved to play anyway and never
asked for a head start, an extra kick, or an extra swing. I’m still
not the “biggest kid”, and some of the most fun I’ve had was whooping up
on the “superior” equipment back when I couldn’t afford the latest
greatest Skippy Propnut TurboZoot 9000 XL MkVII Touring edition limited SE
with the add-ons.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The average guy
can’t afford many things…..like the Naruke edition Astral flown by
McMurtry at the 2006 NATs? Or even the Oxai version…..or even the
Xtreme version.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your argument
could be extended to many things…….2C vs 4C (as if you could get a
consensus on which is “better”)………..analog vs digital servos………….guys
flying electrics w/ NIcd or Nimh because they can’t afford lipos………and on
an on.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pattern
competition is a competitive event with some broad limits (weight, size,
noise). You have your choices, you pick what is most competitive for
your available budget, you practice, you compete. You win, or you
lose.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you / John
don’t think electric is competitive under the current rules, fly
glow.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P><SPAN>Others
think electric is competitive and are flying
electric.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again, electric
is in its infancy……make a rule now that favors electrics and you will
ensure unquestionable electric dominance in the very near future.
Just remember the 120 4C….it was to allow parity between a piped 60 2C and
allow a quieter powerplant. Very shortsighted rule as the 120 4C
became dominant rapidly. Clearly the gap (if there is one) between
electric and glow today is nothing like the 2C / 4C gap was in ~1988 (when
2C 60s dominated 120 4Cs) or now (when a 120 4C dominates 60
2Cs).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By definition,
the average guy will never be able to afford the highest level
setup. And that has never prevented something like a humble wooden
Focus from winning the NATs…..at any level.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, June
22, 2007 10:27 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is said that you can't understand a person's
problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John and I didn't
understand what the problems were regarding making weight with
electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one. I am
still competing with a glow-powered Focus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much.
Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike
Hester and John's careful selection and installation of radio, batteries,
ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in
the kind of winds we often see at the Nats. He's thinking about the guys
who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup. The average
guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes
weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required for a
glow-powered version of the same airplane.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The learning curve is very steep.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I fly electric but still would
be against this proposal. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John F. makes some good points
in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points
out "weigh" John's points.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think if you read Dave's
post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you
have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW, I find this change of
heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it almost
sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make weight with the
current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the outside it certainly
appears that way.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope the real reason for
"floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to
see a trend.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith Black</SPAN></FONT>
<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes
needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative
design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered
airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who
can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did not realize that the
Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine
against the recips under current rules.
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really think they
need a little help by all means give them a rule book
boost!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR>around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I just got this
response from John Fuqua.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Ron Van
Putte</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000fc size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #0000fc">The guys are missing the
point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what is
permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the
rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved.
Please make that point. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000fc size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #0000fc">John</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">From:</SPAN></FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN
class=apple-style-span><FONT face=Helvetica size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Ron Van Putte [<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><B><FONT
face=Helvetica size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN
class=apple-style-span><FONT face=Helvetica size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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