<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">The electric airplane is already weighed with its "fuel"; you couldn't add another 20 oz of water and claim it was a fair comparison with the glow airplane, which is weighed with no fuel. Second, apparently a deadstick is only supposed to happen to a glow airplane. What about a "low voltage cutoff" of the ESC? When it happens, it sure looks like a deadstick to me.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:24 PM, R. LIPRIE wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Wonder how this conflict would be if I said this. If you put a 20oz tank of water in an electric airplane and had it leak out during the whole flight, as if it were burning fuel. And the Esc go out about every 15 to 20 flights to resemble a deadstick landing. It would make it equal between electric and glow.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">--Matt</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">______________________</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Taking off is optional, but landing is mandatory.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr. Mike Harrison</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Its not about money, many kits can make the weight limit with careful building. I have seen them and they cost no more than any other pattern plane. I don't think the weight limit should be changed because of electrics.,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Mike</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I did not realize that the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips under current rules. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">If you really think they need a little help by all means give them a rule book boost!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I just got this response from John Fuqua.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Ron Van Putte</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The guys are missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what is permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved. Please make that point. </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">John</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV><P style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 6px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Ron Van Putte [<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Sent:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>To:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF 697 ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Subject:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">_______________________________________________</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>