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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Having flown both glow and now electric. I agree with Ron
to a point. The batteries ARE the fuel in an electric plane and so weighing them
with the batteries (not counting the Rx battery) is almost comparable to
weighing a glow motor plane with fuel. I said almost because the weight of an
electric motor and speed controller is considerably less than the weight of a
glow motor, muffler, and servo. I consider myself a reasonably light builder,
but have had to be extraordinarily careful to keep my electric planes within the
weight limits, to the point of not having features I'd prefer to have for safety
such as an on/off switch and arming plug. I know of one electric flier that
folded up his fuse in a snap because the construction was inadequate, also not
safe. Can they be built light enough? Yep, I've done it twice, but there are
compromises and not all are good. I also agree with Dave Lockhart's assessment
that weighing electric planes without the batteries will have unintended
consequences and new planes will be developed for/by the exceptionally skilled.
Somewhere in all of this, there's probably a reasonable solution, but none are
on the table and most seem to think that if an increase is allowed now, it can
never be taken back as technology develops. Perhaps, but I don't see the logic
if the adjustment is written properly. In truth, I'm on the fence on this issue,
but I'd sure like a little cushion to beef things up a little and add that
arming plug. BTW, I've found no performance advantage in electric, just
reliability and less mess. Fact is, I was winning a lot more with
glow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 1:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>No. Most of the people who can "make weight" are
extremely talented in building a light airplane for battery power (or can
afford to pay a talented builder) and have the money to spend to buy the
lightest equipment (motor/batteries/ESC). I don't think I'm denigrating
the pilot on a limited budget when I say that. The result is, those who
have the money can compete with electric-powered airplanes, but most of the
others can't. The factor causing most of the money discrepancy is the
unfair application of the weight limit by requiring electric-powered airplanes
to be weighed with the batteries, but allowing glow-powered airplanes to be
weighed with an empty fuel tank.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 25, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Is your message that glow is
at a disadvantage? Cost and what some can afford has always and will
always be an issue in this sport. Back when everyone else switched to full 2
meter planes and I stuck with 60 size 2 cycle I could easily see the
disadvantage I was at except in calm air. If that is where electric is
taking the sport then that is another nail in the proverbial coffin for the
sport. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have a built-in problem with someone being able to "buy"
a win. It comes from when I entered the Soapbox Derby as a 14 year
old. In my first race, I was beaten buy a kid who eventually won the
whole race. My dad could afford to buy me an official set of
wheels, but no more. The father of the kid who beat me bought ten
sets of wheels and they were able to select the four best wheels. If
a rule enables only the "rich" to compete successfully with an e-powered
airplane, it gets my hackles up.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron /
John,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> <SPAN>Point
taken. And no offense, but so what? As a kid, I was never
the biggest guy on the playing fields……but I loved to play anyway and
never asked for a head start, an extra kick, or an extra swing.
I’m still not the “biggest kid”, and some of the most fun I’ve had was
whooping up on the “superior” equipment back when I couldn’t afford the
latest greatest Skippy Propnut TurboZoot 9000 XL MkVII Touring edition
limited SE with the add-ons.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The average guy
can’t afford many things…..like the Naruke edition Astral flown by
McMurtry at the 2006 NATs? Or even the Oxai version…..or even the
Xtreme version.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your argument
could be extended to many things…….2C vs 4C (as if you could get a
consensus on which is “better”)………..analog vs digital servos………….guys
flying electrics w/ NIcd or Nimh because they can’t afford lipos………and
on an on.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pattern
competition is a competitive event with some broad limits (weight, size,
noise). You have your choices, you pick what is most competitive
for your available budget, you practice, you compete. You win, or
you lose.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you / John
don’t think electric is competitive under the current rules, fly
glow.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P><SPAN>Others
think electric is competitive and are flying
electric.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again, electric
is in its infancy……make a rule now that favors electrics and you will
ensure unquestionable electric dominance in the very near future.
Just remember the 120 4C….it was to allow parity between a piped 60 2C
and allow a quieter powerplant. Very shortsighted rule as the 120
4C became dominant rapidly. Clearly the gap (if there is one)
between electric and glow today is nothing like the 2C / 4C gap was in
~1988 (when 2C 60s dominated 120 4Cs) or now (when a 120 4C dominates 60
2Cs).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By definition,
the average guy will never be able to afford the highest level
setup. And that has never prevented something like a humble wooden
Focus from winning the NATs…..at any level.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
June 22, 2007 10:27 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is said that you can't understand a person's
problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John and I didn't
understand what the problems were regarding making weight with
electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one. I am
still competing with a glow-powered Focus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much.
Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by
Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation of radio,
batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with
weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the Nats. He's
thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested
in his setup. The average guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2
meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive with the kind of
budget required for a glow-powered version of the same airplane.
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The learning curve is very steep.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I fly electric but still
would be against this proposal. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John F. makes some good
points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter
points out "weigh" John's points.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think if you read Dave's
post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you
have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW, I find this change of
heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it
almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make weight
with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the outside
it certainly appears that way.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope the real reason for
"floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to
see a trend.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith Black</SPAN></FONT>
<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was also not aware that glow-powered
airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with
innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with
glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity
are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van
Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did not realize that the
Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine
against the recips under current rules.
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really think they
need a little help by all means give them a rule book
boost!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR>around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing
List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I just got this
response from John Fuqua.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Ron Van
Putte</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000fc size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #0000fc">The guys are missing the
point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what is
permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the
rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved.
Please make that point. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000fc size=1><SPAN
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