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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Electric is cheaper than gas in the long run ,
because you don't have to by a gallon of fuel every 5 weeks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt L</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=joddino@socal.rr.com href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">James
Oddino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 1:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have a feeling that electric will prove less expensive than
glow in the long run. It is already an advantage because you spend
your time flying and not fixing. My Impact has 237 flights and looks and
operates as good as new with the exception of the gear box. The
outrunner in my new Abbra should fix that.
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<DIV>The new plane is about a pound lighter and performs much
better. I suspect the glow airplanes would also fly better if they
were lighter.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bottom line; build a plane that is under 11 pounds read to fly and you
will be glad you did. You will all agree that the electric has the
advantage if that is your goal.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim O</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 25, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Verne Koester wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Having flown both glow and now electric. I agree with
Ron to a point. The batteries ARE the fuel in an electric plane and so
weighing them with the batteries (not counting the Rx battery) is almost
comparable to weighing a glow motor plane with fuel. I said almost because
the weight of an electric motor and speed controller is considerably less
than the weight of a glow motor, muffler, and servo. I consider myself a
reasonably light builder, but have had to be extraordinarily careful to keep
my electric planes within the weight limits, to the point of not having
features I'd prefer to have for safety such as an on/off switch and arming
plug. I know of one electric flier that folded up his fuse in a snap because
the construction was inadequate, also not safe. Can they be built light
enough? Yep, I've done it twice, but there are compromises and not all are
good. I also agree with Dave Lockhart's assessment that weighing electric
planes without the batteries will have unintended consequences and new
planes will be developed for/by the exceptionally skilled. Somewhere in all
of this, there's probably a reasonable solution, but none are on the table
and most seem to think that if an increase is allowed now, it can never be
taken back as technology develops. Perhaps, but I don't see the logic if the
adjustment is written properly. In truth, I'm on the fence on this issue,
but I'd sure like a little cushion to beef things up a little and add that
arming plug. BTW, I've found no performance advantage in electric, just
reliability and less mess. Fact is, I was winning a lot more with
glow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 1:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>No. Most of the people who can "make weight" are
extremely talented in building a light airplane for battery power (or
can afford to pay a talented builder) and have the money to spend to buy
the lightest equipment (motor/batteries/ESC). I don't think I'm
denigrating the pilot on a limited budget when I say that. The
result is, those who have the money can compete with electric-powered
airplanes, but most of the others can't. The factor causing most of
the money discrepancy is the unfair application of the weight limit by
requiring electric-powered airplanes to be weighed with the batteries, but
allowing glow-powered airplanes to be weighed with an empty fuel tank.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 25, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Is your message that
glow is at a disadvantage? Cost and what some can afford has
always and will always be an issue in this sport. Back when everyone
else switched to full 2 meter planes and I stuck with 60 size 2 cycle I
could easily see the disadvantage I was at except in calm air. If
that is where electric is taking the sport then that is another nail in
the proverbial coffin for the sport. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have a built-in problem with someone being able to
"buy" a win. It comes from when I entered the Soapbox Derby as a
14 year old. In my first race, I was beaten buy a kid who
eventually won the whole race. My dad could afford to buy
me an official set of wheels, but no more. The father of the kid
who beat me bought ten sets of wheels and they were able to select the
four best wheels. If a rule enables only the "rich" to compete
successfully with an e-powered airplane, it gets my hackles up.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron /
John,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> <SPAN>Point
taken. And no offense, but so what? As a kid, I was
never the biggest guy on the playing fields……but I loved to play
anyway and never asked for a head start, an extra kick, or an extra
swing. I’m still not the “biggest kid”, and some of the most
fun I’ve had was whooping up on the “superior” equipment back when I
couldn’t afford the latest greatest Skippy Propnut TurboZoot 9000 XL
MkVII Touring edition limited SE with the
add-ons.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The average
guy can’t afford many things…..like the Naruke edition Astral flown
by McMurtry at the 2006 NATs? Or even the Oxai version…..or
even the Xtreme version.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your
argument could be extended to many things…….2C vs 4C (as if you
could get a consensus on which is “better”)………..analog vs digital
servos………….guys flying electrics w/ NIcd or Nimh because they can’t
afford lipos………and on an on.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pattern
competition is a competitive event with some broad limits (weight,
size, noise). You have your choices, you pick what is most
competitive for your available budget, you practice, you
compete. You win, or you lose.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you /
John don’t think electric is competitive under the current rules,
fly glow.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P><SPAN>Others
think electric is competitive and are flying
electric.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again,
electric is in its infancy……make a rule now that favors electrics
and you will ensure unquestionable electric dominance in the very
near future. Just remember the 120 4C….it was to allow parity
between a piped 60 2C and allow a quieter powerplant. Very
shortsighted rule as the 120 4C became dominant rapidly.
Clearly the gap (if there is one) between electric and glow today is
nothing like the 2C / 4C gap was in ~1988 (when 2C 60s dominated 120
4Cs) or now (when a 120 4C dominates 60 2Cs).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By
definition, the average guy will never be able to afford the highest
level setup. And that has never prevented something like a
humble wooden Focus from winning the NATs…..at any
level.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
June 22, 2007 10:27 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is said that you can't understand a
person's problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John
and I didn't understand what the problems were regarding making
weight with electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete
with one. I am still competing with a glow-powered
Focus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by
much. Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black
Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation
of radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane
is OK with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the
Nats. He's thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as
he has invested in his setup. The average guy probably can't build
an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is
competitive with the kind of budget required for a glow-powered
version of the same airplane. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The learning curve is very steep.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I fly electric but still
would be against this proposal. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John F. makes some good
points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's
counter points out "weigh" John's
points.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think if you read
Dave's post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you
feel you have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW, I find this change
of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but
it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make
weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from
the outside it certainly appears that
way.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope the real reason
for "floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm
beginning to see a trend.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith
Black</SPAN></FONT> <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing
List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 7:38 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was also not aware that glow-powered
airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that,
with innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can
compete with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the
weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the
weight inequity. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van
Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did not realize that
the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing
just fine against the recips under current rules.
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really think
they need a little help by all means give them a rule book
boost!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if
you learn to plow <BR>around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 2:44 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I just got
this response from John
Fuqua.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #0000fc">The guys are missing
the point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is
what is permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic
of what the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has
been achieved. Please make that point.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Ron Van Putte
[<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Thursday, June
21, 2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Fuqua John D
Mr CTR USAF 697
ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> Fwd:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and
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