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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I miss Eric’s MA column…. Where’s
our pattern exposure in the AMA mag? We have many good people involved
who have helped a lot of us learn and enjoy our hobby. We can’t
afford to build walls between each other. I’m not a current NSRCA member,
but only because my life has limited my involvement at the present. I
will participate all I can because I enjoy few things more than flying with
other competitors, and admiring their skills whether it be writing, R&D,
flying, building, coaching, or just hangar flying. (Pattern flyers are a most
helpful group of competitors!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope (sooner than later) that feelings
will heal, procedures will be corrected if needed, and people will learn from
any mistakes they or others may have made. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the meantime, I would like to thank all
the guys who have helped so many of us in columns they write in magazines or
this discussion. (risking criticism etc) I admire all these guys for
something they’ve done. Danny Landis, Dave Lockhart, Eric
Henderson. You guys have all made contributions….please
continue. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sincerely, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Chris White</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lisa & Larry<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:53
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Going forward.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Few things come to mind on this…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For Eric…Although I understand what
you are stating and realize I don’t have all the facts, I must wonder how
this thread has helped grow pattern. Eric, I’m not talking about you even
though this is your ID. How many potential pattern guys have now turned away
because of this thread? It’s an ugly black eye and I don’t
appreciate this forum being used for this purpose. But now the cats out of the
bag, let’s deal with it fairly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
Board….I would like to see where this was addressed in the past board
meeting minutes. I would like to know where this can be reviewed. If not, I
request a copy of the minutes to be mailed to me at my present address. I would
like to know what authority a SIG has to sanction a paying AMA member from
participating in an AMA national event even as a judge. At what point did the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> Board discuss this with the AMA Competition
Board? If not at all it’s nothing less than a lynching and the board
members responsible for this should resign immediately. Eric is an AMA member
first. The NATS is an AMA event First. I would agree that the CD, with input from
the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> Board, could recommend
sanctions to the AMA on behalf of a written protest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would be interested in what Dave Brown
and the AMA Competition Board has to say…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With this being said, if in fact there is
rules clearly stated and the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
had the authority and acted in those rules let me know and I will apologize. I
would like to know where it is written.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rules that actually state in the AMA rules
book. The pilot or anyone on his behalf can’t confront the judge. This
violation is sufficient to result in disqualification of the pilot from this
event. See General Competition Rules page 12 of 12 under General, Section 8.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the General Competition Rules it also
outlines the rules for Protest, See General Competition Rules page 9 of 12
under Sanctioned Events, Section 18. I will assume that at a Nationals event,
the CD followed these rules. They should have been followed to the letter
regardless of the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>’s
position. The CD is an AMA representative and acts on the AMA’s behalf. No
influence by the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> should have
impaired the protester’s right or the rights of the person being
protested.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would like the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
Board President to respond regarding the AMA Protest Rules and how they were
followed to the letter in this case as well as any sanction for an individual
confronting a judge regarding a pilots scores.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry
Diamond</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>AMA 5024<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>NSRCA</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> 3083<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Grow Pattern<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:41
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>-discussion]
Going forward.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Please understand that I wrote about what had happened to
me for a reason greater than personal vindication. There is a fundamental
problem with sponsorship, contestant judging, and the management/development of
judges.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>(<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>I
can’t address the information given to the Don Lowe Masters or the
attempt to remove me from Model Aviation reporting unless I do something and
subpoena the records of the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> board,
their e-mail their appointee’s mail. To go “legal” on the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> would just be ugly, damaging to all and
exhaust what little <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> money
there is in the bank. That is <u>not </u>my agenda).<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></em></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I can address how I was processed by the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> as regards allegations of biased judging. I
can’t do much about what happened to me, but I can do something about the
next guy. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>So can
you. (After all, it could be you.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>First of all, the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
needs to amend its charter to state that it is a ruling body on judging
resources. Then update the bylaws to cover the related process. There is an <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> bylaw on how to do this and it involves all of
you, the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> membership, voting on
a proposed change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Secondly, the AMA has a pretty good
disciplinary process that the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
could incorporate to deal with judging infractions. It tells the accused what
they have been charged with and allows the accused to present their case. There
is even an appeal process if the member does not agree with the decision or the
punishment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We all deserve a fair trial and the right to face our
accuser(s) or the accusation(s).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>With the bylaws as they are, I consider the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> board to have acted illegally and to not have
given me a chance to challenge their evidence BEFORE they met and passed their sentence. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Most importantly, the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
needs to revamp its judging training. They now need to add performance
evaluation to allow us to know how well we are performing as a judge. Maybe we
need to be rated as to what we can judge. e.g. which class we can cover etc. We
should be tested before--not just accused after!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>By <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> board
voting, I will be eligible to judge pattern in 2009. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Please consider this for a moment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am sitting in the judge’s chair and I see a zero
spin entry, no stall etc. I think for a moment as the rest of the spin is being
executed. Hmmm?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-What if the other judges all saw that as a valid spin
entry? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-What should I do? If I am out of the norm, I will be in
trouble <i><span style='font-style:italic'>again</span></i>, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-They will be watching. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-It would take only one pilot to complain and I would be
toast….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-A small trickle of sweat runs down my back. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-The clock is ticking.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Oh no! My confidence as a judge is shot. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-I freeze.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-I chicken out and give a 6.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well, I need not worry because they will never pick me to
judge again. But they will pick YOU!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My thanks for the off-list encouragement. I will keep your
identity confidential. I understand that you cannot post on the
discussion-list. I know that it is intimidating when this could affect your
results down the line. It is supposed to be a discussion-list about everything
that affects pattern. That is, unless your president tell you to not do so!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I really thank the two <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
board members who had the courage to let me know that the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> board was trying to have me removed from
writing the column and that they are currently planning to take me off the
list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am sorry I blitzed the discussion-list with long notes
but, you guys know me--I write and this is what happens when I do </span></font><font
face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Got to get back to the real world again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Good luck everybody and best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Eric--Exiting the box!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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