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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe the electrics should be weighed without
batteries in them. Because there is know way you would be able to keep a
glow airplane underneath 11 lbs with fuel in it. No way!.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Having flown both glow and now electric. I agree with
Ron to a point. The batteries ARE the fuel in an electric plane and so
weighing them with the batteries (not counting the Rx battery) is almost
comparable to weighing a glow motor plane with fuel. I said almost because the
weight of an electric motor and speed controller is considerably less than the
weight of a glow motor, muffler, and servo. I consider myself a reasonably
light builder, but have had to be extraordinarily careful to keep my electric
planes within the weight limits, to the point of not having features I'd
prefer to have for safety such as an on/off switch and arming plug. I know of
one electric flier that folded up his fuse in a snap because the construction
was inadequate, also not safe. Can they be built light enough? Yep, I've done
it twice, but there are compromises and not all are good. I also agree with
Dave Lockhart's assessment that weighing electric planes without the batteries
will have unintended consequences and new planes will be developed for/by the
exceptionally skilled. Somewhere in all of this, there's probably a reasonable
solution, but none are on the table and most seem to think that if an increase
is allowed now, it can never be taken back as technology develops. Perhaps,
but I don't see the logic if the adjustment is written properly. In truth, I'm
on the fence on this issue, but I'd sure like a little cushion to beef things
up a little and add that arming plug. BTW, I've found no performance advantage
in electric, just reliability and less mess. Fact is, I was winning a lot more
with glow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 25, 2007 1:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>No. Most of the people who can "make weight" are
extremely talented in building a light airplane for battery power (or
can afford to pay a talented builder) and have the money to spend to buy the
lightest equipment (motor/batteries/ESC). I don't think I'm
denigrating the pilot on a limited budget when I say that. The result
is, those who have the money can compete with electric-powered airplanes,
but most of the others can't. The factor causing most of the money
discrepancy is the unfair application of the weight limit by requiring
electric-powered airplanes to be weighed with the batteries, but allowing
glow-powered airplanes to be weighed with an empty fuel tank.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 25, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Is your message that glow
is at a disadvantage? Cost and what some can afford has always and
will always be an issue in this sport. Back when everyone else switched to
full 2 meter planes and I stuck with 60 size 2 cycle I could easily see
the disadvantage I was at except in calm air. If that is where
electric is taking the sport then that is another nail in the proverbial
coffin for the sport. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have a built-in problem with someone being able to
"buy" a win. It comes from when I entered the Soapbox Derby as a
14 year old. In my first race, I was beaten buy a kid who
eventually won the whole race. My dad could afford to buy me
an official set of wheels, but no more. The father of the kid who
beat me bought ten sets of wheels and they were able to select the four
best wheels. If a rule enables only the "rich" to compete
successfully with an e-powered airplane, it gets my hackles up.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jun 22, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</DIV><BR
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namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron /
John,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P> <SPAN>Point
taken. And no offense, but so what? As a kid, I was never
the biggest guy on the playing fields……but I loved to play anyway and
never asked for a head start, an extra kick, or an extra swing.
I’m still not the “biggest kid”, and some of the most fun I’ve had was
whooping up on the “superior” equipment back when I couldn’t afford
the latest greatest Skippy Propnut TurboZoot 9000 XL MkVII Touring
edition limited SE with the add-ons.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The average
guy can’t afford many things…..like the Naruke edition Astral flown by
McMurtry at the 2006 NATs? Or even the Oxai version…..or even
the Xtreme version.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your argument
could be extended to many things…….2C vs 4C (as if you could get a
consensus on which is “better”)………..analog vs digital servos………….guys
flying electrics w/ NIcd or Nimh because they can’t afford lipos………and
on an on.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pattern
competition is a competitive event with some broad limits (weight,
size, noise). You have your choices, you pick what is most
competitive for your available budget, you practice, you
compete. You win, or you lose.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you / John
don’t think electric is competitive under the current rules, fly
glow.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P><SPAN>Others
think electric is competitive and are flying
electric.</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again,
electric is in its infancy……make a rule now that favors electrics and
you will ensure unquestionable electric dominance in the very near
future. Just remember the 120 4C….it was to allow parity between
a piped 60 2C and allow a quieter powerplant. Very shortsighted
rule as the 120 4C became dominant rapidly. Clearly the gap (if
there is one) between electric and glow today is nothing like the 2C /
4C gap was in ~1988 (when 2C 60s dominated 120 4Cs) or now (when a 120
4C dominates 60 2Cs).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By
definition, the average guy will never be able to afford the highest
level setup. And that has never prevented something like a
humble wooden Focus from winning the NATs…..at any
level.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[<A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
June 22, 2007 10:27 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It is said that you can't understand a
person's problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John and
I didn't understand what the problems were regarding making weight
with electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one.
I am still competing with a glow-powered
Focus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by
much. Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black
Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation of
radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK
with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the Nats. He's
thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he has
invested in his setup. The average guy probably can't build an
electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive
with the kind of budget required for a glow-powered version of the
same airplane. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The learning curve is very steep.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I fly electric but still
would be against this proposal. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John F. makes some good
points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's
counter points out "weigh" John's
points.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think if you read Dave's
post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you
have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW, I find this change of
heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it
almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make
weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the
outside it certainly appears that
way.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope the real reason for
"floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning
to see a trend.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith Black</SPAN></FONT>
<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing
List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was also not aware that glow-powered
airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with
innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete
with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight
inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight
inequity. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron Van
Putte<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did not realize that
the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just
fine against the recips under current rules.
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really think they
need a little help by all means give them a rule book
boost!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR>around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing
List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 2:44 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I just got this
response from John Fuqua.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what
is permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what
the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been
achieved. Please make that point.
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