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<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 3:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane
Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah it may be unfair. I built that plane and it
is under weight even with the set up he's currently running....but just
barely. But that's only about half of the story. If that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The plane was built to use the heaviest of set
ups and still make weight. it does, but he's also running a reciever switch,
kill switch, lots of stuff. He could shed a few ounces pretty easy, but it's
legal....so why bother? If an ounce or 2 helps him sleep better, then that's
really simple. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When the plane was first built, he tried a much
lighter set up. The numbers looked ok in theory, and the plane came in at 9
lbs 14 ounces with batteries, flying. But it was just way short on power for
masters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, John installed the larger motor and repropped
it. Using 3700s at this point. Bingo! 10 lbs, 5 ounces and plenty of
power.....or so he thought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andersonville: We had conditions almost identical
to the nats finals last year. Windy as hell, cold, rainy, nasty....and after
the flights he was putting 3750 back in the packs. Yeah. Different story when
you're really deep in the throttle compensating for a ridiculous
wind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, he installs the new 5000s, which are over 3
lbs. Now the plane is 10 lbs 15 ounces, but my guess is power just won't be an
issue at all. Thing is by the time he got enough power to have flexibility to
handle the nastiest of conditions, his set up was pushing 5 lbs. And I think
that's where this is coming from.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I REALLY am not going to argue with the "well I'm
running half of that and I have plenty of power" stuff. Good for you, but I
have seen one too many set ups fry in hellish conditions. I much prefer the
power to spare approach, so you're not ever really taking your stuff to it's
absolute limit. This is ONLY my opinion but from a couple of years of playing
with this stuff, this is my current approach and I am comfortable with it.
Nobody has fried a set up yet....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh and that's totally not directed at you Keith.
Yes John is looking for opinions is what he told me. he knew this would be a
can of worms so he's enjoying it. Just look at the responses so far. Very well
thought out on both sides, that's what we're here for!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am not for a rule change. At all. I can see
both sides of the arguement, but I too think it opens too many loopholes. I
have a pretty good idea of what I could do with 8 more ounces, so I could only
imagine what those with more skill than myself could do. =) I REALLY
don't want to see that get opened up. but again, just my opinion on the
subject. Not sure where John is going with this though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tkeithblack@gmail.com href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com">Keith
Black</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 12:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I fly electric but still would be against this
proposal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John F. makes some good points in his
justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out
"weigh" John's points.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think if you read Dave's post with an open
mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll
find his logic very compelling. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is
probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new
e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but
from the outside it certainly appears that way.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea
was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the
handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative design and
$$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered
airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those
who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did not realize that the Electrics were
in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the
recips under current rules. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you really think they need a little help
by all means give them a rule book boost!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR> around the
stumps"<BR><A href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007
2:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I
just got this response from John Fuqua.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Ron Van Putte</FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The guys
are missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on
weight. It is what is permitted by the
rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the rules
allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been
achieved. Please make that
point. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">John</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Ron Van Putte [<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Sent:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Thursday, June 21,
2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>To:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fuqua John D Mr CTR
USAF 697 ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Subject:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fwd:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and
Rationale</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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