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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>I hate to say it, but many...if not ALL at my club would argue that the “average” guy can’t afford to build a glow powered 2 meter airplane that’s competitive.<BR>
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I’m going to bow out of the conversation as Ron suggests because I haven’t “walked the mile”. My general stance though is that there no requirement that says we need to make Electric a viable option...any more than we need to make Gas a viable option. If it is, some will choose it. If it’s really hard...but adds value, a few of the elite can/will choose it. If it’s easy and cheap, everyone will use it. The rules are the rules and they’re the same for everyone. The argument stems solely around “endorsing” and promoting a particular technology. I don’t think in this instance there’s a good argument for doing that.<BR>
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On 6/22/07 10:26 AM, "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte@cox.net> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John and I didn't understand what the problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one. I am still competing with a glow-powered Focus.<BR>
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John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much. Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the Nats. He's thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup. The average guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required for a glow-powered version of the same airplane. <BR>
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On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE="Arial">I fly electric but still would be against this proposal. <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">John F. makes some good points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out "weigh" John's points.<BR>
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I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling. <BR>
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BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the outside it certainly appears that way.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.<BR>
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<B>From:</B> Ron Van Putte <a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><mailto:vanputte@cox.net></a> <BR>
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I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. <BR>
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On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">I did not realize that the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips under current rules. <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">If you really think they need a little help by all means give them a rule book boost!<BR>
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John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>
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<B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM<BR>
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I just got this response from John Fuqua.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#0000FC"><FONT SIZE="2"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>The guys are missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what is permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved. Please make that point. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'><B>From:</B> Ron Van Putte [<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net]">mailto:vanputte@cox.net]</a> <BR>
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