<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes. John and I didn't understand what the problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one. I am still competing with a glow-powered Focus.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much. Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the Nats. He's thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup. The average guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required for a glow-powered version of the same airplane. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The learning curve is very steep. <BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I fly electric but still would be against this proposal. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">John F. makes some good points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out "weigh" John's points.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the outside it certainly appears that way.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Keith Black</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I did not realize that the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips under current rules. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">If you really think they need a little help by all means give them a rule book boost!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I just got this response from John Fuqua.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Ron Van Putte</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The guys are missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on weight. It is what is permitted by the rules. They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved. Please make that point. </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000fc" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">John</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV><P style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 6px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Ron Van Putte [<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Sent:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>To:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF 697 ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Subject:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Arial"><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">_______________________________________________</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>