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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't agree with Arch....we don't want him to
actully think he is right.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=RLIPRIE@centurytel.net href="mailto:RLIPRIE@centurytel.net">R.
LIPRIE</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:49</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
registration</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And Archie. lol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcpattern@stx.rr.com href="mailto:rcpattern@stx.rr.com">Archie
Stafford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
registration</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will agree with
Keith and Mark…best analogy I can give is like in sports, guys say the “game
slows down” after they figure things <SPAN class=SpellE>out<SPAN
class=GramE>..Same</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=GramE> as in
pattern.</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Things happen
so quickly in the upper classes you have to be watching at all times, and
don’t have time to think “did I just see that?”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN class=GramE>on</SPAN> a nasty
windy day I’ve watched my scores get hit because of wind correction. One
judge sees it correctly, but more times than not the one with less
experience notices the plane rather than and track and their brain says
“that can’t be right.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can
sit through all the judging seminars in the world, but until the knowledge
is applied, it doesn’t matter.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Doesn’t matter what class they fly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know guys that are average pilots
that are incredible judges, because they’ve done it before.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one is as good a judge as the
first flight they see as their 500<SUP>th</SUP>.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just doesn’t happen.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If that was the case, then why worry
about which judges we send to the world team <SPAN class=SpellE>trials<SPAN
class=GramE>..</SPAN>why</SPAN> not just give everyone a written test and
who ever scores the highest must be the best….you guys know that isn’t true,
that is why we have the software that evaluates judges.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would be interested to see the
results of that software with guys who are judging their first <SPAN
class=SpellE>nats</SPAN> and see where they rank among
judges.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arch<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Keith Black<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:01
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
registration</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since no one else will stick out
their neck, I will. Mark is 100%
correct. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The problem has nothing to do
with class, intelligence or ability, just experience. Not all, but most,
intermediate pilots are simply so new to pattern that they don't know
everything to look for. This is why in most cases FAI judges give out lower
scores than intermediate judges. Not because FAI judges are meaner or more
conceited, but because they notice more. One could argue that it doesn't
matter as long as scores are consistent, but this just isn't the
case. When judges notice fewer things, like Mark's example of the snap
below, scores begin to rise and it's more difficult for pilots to
distinguish themselves. For example, pilot A and B both fly the 45 degree
down snap centering and stopping it perfectly, but pilot A didn't match the
entry and exit radius (very easy to miss for pilot and judge). If a judge
does not notice this then pilot B is penalized and though he performed
better on paper he wasn't able to distinguish himself. As a contestant this
can be extremely frustrating. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Frankly, there's so much going
on in our flights that it's pretty much impossible to catch every altitude
difference, centering difference, radius difference, wind correction,
etc. To expect they guy that's just moved from Sportsman to do so is
really unreasonable.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, am I against Intermediate or
Sportsman judges at local contests? No, they need the experience and judging
can teach a pilot so much! It's well worth the occasional round
that may not be spot on in judging to get these guys experience because in a
few years THEY will be writing this email.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If your an Intermediate or
Sportsman pilot that's competed in fewer than about 15 to 20 contests and
this pisses you off all I can say what every parent tells their kids,
in a few years you'll understand, there's really nothing to argue about. And
though it seems so, I'm not trying to be
condescending.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Mark
Atwood</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:49 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Nats registration<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Again, I simply
have to agree to disagree. Don’t really want a battle over it.
My suggestion would be to talk to someone that judges ice skating or
as I mentioned before, diving. An inexperienced judge, even knowing
all the rules and downgrades, can do little more than judge the landing.
And that’s what we get...Downward 45 snaps that are judged 99% on
the exit of the snap with little attention to the centering, entry and
exit radius, etc. But maybe more to the point, I know at
least MY experience has been, if I’m flying in high wind in front of a
masters pilot, I pay a LOT of attention to proper wind correction, knowing
that even though the maneuver looks wrong, it’s not, and will be judged
appropriately because that person can fly that same correction, and knows
what it has to look like. If I have an inexperienced judge...I focus
on “smooth”, with less wind correction, worrying less about proper ‘Track’
45’s than proper attitude 45s..etc. I think you’ll find a lot
of flyers do the same. Is it right?? Don’t know...but it’s
certainly the reality.<BR><BR>I know I’m disparaging the intermediate
judge...I don’t mean to do that. Some are extremely good. It’s
not the class you fly as much as total experience and exposure. Dave
Klein (father to Mike Klein, former TOC pilot) never flew above the old
Sportsman routine, but did so for MANY years, and also watched Mike fly
about 10,000 practice flights of FAI and TOC patterns. He knew what
he was looking for. I’m sure there are intermediate flyers out
there with equal skills in the chair.<BR><BR>Judging schools are GREAT...a
tremendous help. Even the poorest ones add value. AND...yes,
there are 15 year master’s pilots who are probably bad judges.
But on any given day, the odds are that the experienced
pilot is going to be a better judge than an inexperienced pilot.
Again...My opinion.<BR><BR>So it goes back to Ron’s
comment...that the CD’s job is to identify which of the various pilots are
“qualified”...<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>On 6/14/07 1:01 PM, "Fred Huber"
<fhhuber@clearwire.net> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">there's a big difference in
PLAYING a game of strategy and OBSERVING the RESULTS of someone performing
aerobatics.<BR> <BR>You don't even need to know all the rules to
observe.<BR> <BR>You don't need to know the weight limit, maximum
length or wingspan of the model.<BR> <BR>You don't have to know how
to compensate for wind in order to be able to see if a vertical line got
blown sideways and should be downgraded.<BR> <BR>Knowing the names of
the pieces (maneuvers) and the shape of the board (limits of the box) and
the basic movements of the pieces (textbook description of loop, roll,
spin, snap...) will get you MUCH further judging than actually
playing.<BR> <BR>Even a judge at a chess tournament only needs to
know how to recognize an illegal move. They don't have to be able to
beat the worst player in the High School chess
club.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Mark Atwood <A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></A>
<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A>
<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:44 AM<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
registration<BR> <BR><BR>I’m going to simply agree to disagree.
Experience in flying, helps your experience in judging,
IMHO.<BR><BR>I’ll use a few analogies... Chess.
I know the rules. I’m even a decent player. My son
is 10...also knows the rules, and for 10, plays ok. But when
he looks at the board, he sees 64 squares and a myriad of pieces.
He has to evaluate each piece in turn, taking considerable
time to make his move. By contrast, my experience allows me to
set “groups” of pieces as a single formation...a master player, sees
the entire board as a single position, and knows instantly the next move
to make.<BR><BR>One more quick comparison and I’ll try and related
it to pattern judging...lol<BR><BR>Diving. How many of you
have watched the olympic diving and seen someone do a blinding 3
somersault half twist whatever, only to have the announcer
say...”He’s going to have to do a better job of keeping his knees
together and holding the tuck farther in the rotation...blah blah
blah” and think to yourself HUH?? Did they actually SEE that??
And sure enough, in the slow mo...that’s EXACTLY what happened.
The commentator DIDN’T see it...but they knew from the outcome
WHAT MUST HAVE OCCURRED TO GET THERE from their own
experience.<BR><BR>Back to flying. Much of what we do is
anticipate problems and fix them. Some may disagree, but
often, judging is know what must have happened to get you into the
bad place. That takes experience...I think flying experience,
though I suppose significant judging experience could achieve the
same. Bottom line...a sportsman/intermediate pilot, unless
they’ve been flying and judging that class for many years, doesn’t
have the experience necessary to judge FAI or Masters Real Time.
You have to see too much, too fast. You can’t evaluate
all the pieces on the board...you have to see the board as a single
position.<BR><BR>My .02 cents.<BR><BR>That being said...I fully
agree that Intermediate pilots should be used to judge Advanced...mixed
with Masters pilots...thats the best way to learn and you’ll still
get a good judging result.<BR><BR>-Mark<BR><BR><BR>On 6/14/07 10:57
AM, "Zapata, Lisandro Arturo" <Lisandro.Zapata@rsandh.com>
wrote:<BR><BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMHO<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Even a Sportman
who barely know to fly their own sequences, doesn't mean that can't
judge even FAI pilots. If he has the knowledge and the ability to
judge correctly then you should use him to judge FAI. Is common to
think that a FAI pilot who has to know to fly with all the rules in
his mind must be a great judge but is not always the case, they can be a
terrible judge and a great flyer.<BR>I had seen FAI judges that they
aren't even pilots, but they know the rules.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
June 14, 2007 10:34 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Nats registration<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>My comments regarding not
all Intermediate class pilots being qualified to judge Advanced is
from experience. A lot of Intermediate class pilots just moved
up from Sportsman and barely know how to fly their own sequences,
much less judge a class above them. They don't have the basic
knowledge of how to judge correctly. I've had Intermediate
pilots ask to be assigned to any other job than being a judge of
Advanced pilots because they didn't feel qualified. <BR><BR>Further,
like all programs, our judging certification program often leaves a
lot to be desired. Despite the efforts of a lot of people like
Don Ramsey, how many pilots just got certified by sitting in a group
with a lot of other guys who all took the "test" together?
I've seen it happen far too often. Judge
certification classes run by Don Ramsey at the Nats take several
hours. I've watched some local classes take less than an hour
and most of that was taking the test. For experienced judges,
just taking the test is probably enough, because they have
familiarized themselves with changes to the rules and only need to
take the test. However, I believe that pilots who are
inexperienced judges are being shortchanged at the local
level.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR><BR>On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:12 AM,
John Ferrell wrote:<BR><BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I find
the lack of confidence in the Judging Certification Program to
be an insult to those who put forth so much effort into
it.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There
are still a lot of Masters/FAI pilots who choose to not waste
their time knowing the AMA rule book. And there are many
pilots who are new to the Pattern Discipline that have read
and continue to read the Rule book like the
Bible!<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
class one flies is not a good indicator of their judging
qualities.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John
Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you
learn to plow <BR> around
the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ron Van Putte <A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><mailto:vanputte@cox.net></A>
<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A>
<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:44
PM<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats
registration<BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>It is true that
SOME Intermediate pilots are qualified to judge Advanced and
are used if they are. The event director's job is to
discover who is qualified. That's why we pay him the big
$. <VBG> <BR><BR> <BR>Ron Van
Putte<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR>On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:51
PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Provided that the
Intermediate pilots aren't qualified to judge Advanced, right?
And since there are 20 Intermediate pilots they can help
out with judging Advanced as well - since everyone has to be
certified.<BR><BR> <BR>On 6/13/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Ron Van Putte</SPAN></B>
<vanputte@cox.net> wrote:
<BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>As a former Nats event
director, I must point out that the Master class pilots are
used to judge the Advanced AND F3A pilots, thus the problem
with the number of Master class pilots. If you use three
judges on both Advanced lines, that's six judges each session.
Then, if there are four F3A lines, that's another twelve
judges. So, the first two sessions of Advanced and F3A
requires 36 Master class judges. Oh oh! we run out
of Master class judges on the third day if we only have 40
Master class pilots and nobody volunteers to judge extra
sessions. That's why Dave Guerin's hair is turning
gray/falling out. <BR><BR> <BR> <BR>Ron Van
Putte<BR> <BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR>On Jun 13,
2007, at 5:26 PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>And for one year there
will actually be enough judges to judge Masters - we've always
struggled with not having enough F3A pilots to fill the
Masters judging pool.<BR> <BR><BR><BR> <BR> <BR>On
6/13/07, <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Jim
Woodward</SPAN></B> <Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com
<A
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com"><mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com></A>
> wrote:
<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Wow –
Awesome! The Masters pilots will get a taste of judging
a highly attended FAI class! J J J
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jim
W.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
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] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>Derek Koopowitz<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 13, 2007
12:41 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>;
dist7@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Nats registration <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>It
looks like we have 115 total registered pilots for the Nats
this year (from the AMA website)...<BR><FONT face=Verdana
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Intermediate
- 20<BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Advanced
- 16<BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Masters
- 40<BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>FAI
- 39<BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Those
are excellent #'s and I'm hoping that there will still be some
late entries that will raise those numbers even more.<BR><FONT
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