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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fred, thanks for saying that. That's the point I
was trying to make. It's good to see the discussion has finally gone beyond the
example I used to start the discussion. The past few messages I read really
finally got to the heart of the matter: judges can only use the poles as
reference during flight if their distance from the flight path is relatively
small in order to reduce the error down to maybe 5-10 meters instead of the 71
meters in the hypothetical distances I used in the example. This error can
also be reduced by shortening the distance between the apex of 120
degree angle and the judges. Hence my original complaint that the judges
were too far behind me. Anyway, my goal has been achieved in that an awareness
was raised. I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible at my
club's get-together this weekend in Crowley. We'll be having a Crawfish
boil Saturday night, and I've heard rumors of a possible pattern contest
breaking out Saturday morning before we eat!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See you all there!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:17
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judges'
Positioning, Zero Lines,and Box Definition</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>With judges directly behind the pilot...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If the poles are ate the 175 meter out limit line, then any
time the plane appears beyond the pole, its definitively out of the box.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If the pole is closer in, then any time a plane closer in
than the pole appears to pass the pole, it has broken the box, regardless of
how far behind the pilot the judge is located. Planes further out than
the pole might appear to the judges to have passed the pole without having
broken the box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The only time the box size and pole location appear the
same to the judge (behind the pilot) is when the plane's flight line crosses
directly over the poles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Judges' error in apparant box limit by use of the poles when
the poles are at the limit 175 meter line will be small (a wingspan or two
maximum if the judge is less than 30 ft behind the pilot) and will give the
close-in-flying pilot EXTRA room.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If the poles are at 150 meters and the pilot is flying at
175 meters... the poles being used as the judges' box limit reference will
give an average error of appx a 2-meter pane's wingspan...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Judges' error in apparant box limit by use of poles at 1/2
the distance to the average line of flight can be severe, and unfairly would
penalize the pilot. The closer in the poles are relative to the line of
flight... the larger the box size error the judge will have if using the
poles as a reference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thus Judges should never use poles as the reference if they
are not out on the 150 meter to 175 meter flight line... unless the pilot is
flying a line directly over the poles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Poles are only a judges' reference if they are properly
located.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>******************</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If you paint the reference lines and place the poles
relative to the judge's position... then the pilot can't use them, and the
pilot needs the references more than the
judges.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>