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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you, Tony. My point exactly. I'm glad someone
else realized that I was not asking for help on how to avoid breaking the box,
but just trying to bring up a potential problem with box size judging based on
simple geometry. Even though seminars are making judging more uniform, there are
still people like me who just flat-out can't make a 10-hour drive to a contest
just so they can attend a seminar. The website is helpful; but open, ongoing
discussion on these topics will keep them fresh in our minds.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony
Stillman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 14, 2007 8:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judges'
Positioning, Zero Lines,and Box Definition</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt:<BR>This is
something I have spoken about several times. The poles are there for the
JUDGES. The lines are for the PILOTS. If the poles cannot be place
on their proper location, THEY SHOULD NOT BE USED! This if because of
the very thing that you are talking about. If the poles are at the 150
meter out location, the difference between the view of the pilot and the
judges, even if they are 25 feet behind the pilot, are virtually the
same. The closer you bring in the poles, but more of an error you will
create. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Matthew
Frederick<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, May
12, 2007 1:29 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Judges'
Positioning, Zero Lines,and Box Definition</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK, this forum has been too quiet
lately, so let's get some controversy going! This comment/question is mainly
directed to Don Ramsey, but I would appreciate everyone's opinion. The good
thing is, Don was at the contest where what I'm about to describe happened.
What I'm talking about here is the positioning of judges behind the pilot.
Under most circumstances the judges are positioned maybe 3-5 feet behind the
pilot with each judge's seat placed on (or very close to) one of the
60-degree lines. Now, at a contest I attended last week the judges apparently
decided it was too hot out there on the actual flight line, and they moved
their chairs about 15-20 feet behind the pilot in the shade of the shed at
this particular field. My question is, should this be something that is
allowed since the judges' chairs define the zero line of the flight line (and
moving it back this far puts spectators in danger), and also because it gives
the judges an even more skewed view of the 60-degree lines than they already
have? I bring this up partly because of what Don wrote in this month's
K-Factor, but also because I was gigged for busting the box by these
"displaced" (in Louisiana we call them refugees) judges when in fact, I
knew I was close to the edge, but since I was actually standing on the line, I
knew I didn't bust it. As a pilot I should not have to adjust the size of the
box that I'm permitted to fly in just so the judges can be more comfortable
(granted, comfort in the heat and humidity of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Louisiana</st1:place></st1:State> is relative). I didn't bring it up
at the contest because by the time it bit me, it was too late to complain. In
the future, however, I think there need to be rules regarding the positioning
of judges if there aren't already, and if there are rules, let's bring them to
light and enforce them, and you can bet I'll refuse to fly before judges that
are that far behind me. Then again, I also think the close edge of the runway
should be the zero line on maneuvers, not the judges' chairs. I did a little
(ok, a lot) of math to figure out how much box a pilot would be
missing out on with the judges postitioned 15 feet behind him. Using
approximated numbers from the contest in question I calculated that if the
poles are 40 feet out from the pilot, and the judges are 15 feet behind the
pilot, the box size at 150 meters (which is 259.81m) based on the judges'
point of view is reduced by 232.61 feet (70.9 m), or 25.2%! This would
have been even greater if the poles were closer in or the judges were further
back.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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