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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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This is something I have spoken about several times. The poles are there for
the JUDGES. The lines are for the PILOTS. If the poles cannot be place on
their proper location, THEY SHOULD NOT BE USED! This if because of the very
thing that you are talking about. If the poles are at the 150 meter out
location, the difference between the view of the pilot and the judges, even if
they are 25 feet behind the pilot, are virtually the same. The closer you
bring in the poles, but more of an error you will create. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Matthew Frederick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:29
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Judges' Positioning, Zero Lines,and Box Definition</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>OK, this forum has been too quiet lately, so let's get some
controversy going! This comment/question is mainly directed to Don Ramsey, but
I would appreciate everyone's opinion. The good thing is, Don was at the
contest where what I'm about to describe happened. What I'm talking about here
is the positioning of judges behind the pilot. Under most circumstances the
judges are positioned maybe 3-5 feet behind the pilot with each judge's seat
placed on (or very close to) one of the 60-degree lines. Now, at a contest
I attended last week the judges apparently decided it was too hot out there on
the actual flight line, and they moved their chairs about 15-20 feet behind the
pilot in the shade of the shed at this particular field. My question is, should
this be something that is allowed since the judges' chairs define the zero line
of the flight line (and moving it back this far puts spectators in danger), and
also because it gives the judges an even more skewed view of the 60-degree
lines than they already have? I bring this up partly because of what Don wrote
in this month's K-Factor, but also because I was gigged for busting the box by
these "displaced" (in Louisiana we call them refugees)
judges when in fact, I knew I was close to the edge, but since I was
actually standing on the line, I knew I didn't bust it. As a pilot I should not
have to adjust the size of the box that I'm permitted to fly in just so the
judges can be more comfortable (granted, comfort in the heat and humidity of <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Louisiana</st1:place></st1:State> is relative).
I didn't bring it up at the contest because by the time it bit me, it was too
late to complain. In the future, however, I think there need to be rules
regarding the positioning of judges if there aren't already, and if there are
rules, let's bring them to light and enforce them, and you can bet I'll refuse
to fly before judges that are that far behind me. Then again, I also think the
close edge of the runway should be the zero line on maneuvers, not the judges'
chairs. I did a little (ok, a lot) of math to figure out how much box a
pilot would be missing out on with the judges postitioned 15 feet behind
him. Using approximated numbers from the contest in question I calculated that
if the poles are 40 feet out from the pilot, and the judges are 15 feet behind
the pilot, the box size at 150 meters (which is 259.81m) based on the
judges' point of view is reduced by 232.61 feet (70.9 m), or 25.2%! This
would have been even greater if the poles were closer in or the judges were
further back.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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