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<DIV>Again, you're getting hung-up on the term "sanctioned." Yes, fun-flys and
fly-ins are sanctioned events... but they are not competitions. I am suggesting
the stamp only for contests. For instance, if a pilot wishes to fly in a
competition event 402 (Intermediate pattern), a stamp is required, but 705
(competitive fun-fly) is not. Just like with the Nats, provisional classes are
exempt (Sportsman, or, the politically-incorrect term I prefer, Novice) unless
they choose to attend and fly Sportsman (at which point you allow them to
purchase the stamp at the event. OK, I'm not going to try and explain this any
further, Tony understood what I was saying, that's all I really cared
about.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule
8.1.1</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">The problem is...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">A fun Fly is often a sanctioned
competition. A LOT of guys will fly in Fun Flys, but no other sanctioned
events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Same goes for Big Bird fly ins.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Same goes for a lot of events that get
held... You can get a sanction for a Mall so in order to get the
sanction insurance for the event!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">If the stamp is required to fly at a
sanctioned event... then you have just about required all RC flyers to buy the
stamp... might as well have raised AMA dues for RC, because just about anyone
that flys WILL participate in SOME sanctioned event.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">In all likelyhood... the same could be said
about CL and FF... I anm sure they sanction some events that are not
necessarilly very competitive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Now it SHOULD be obvious that the criteria
of the event being sanctioned requiring the stamp is not a good
idea...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Maybe you could call it a "AA" stamp... and
any event with AA or higher sanction requires the stamp... Pretty much
the AA and higher events will be attended by more serious competitors. (but
there will be exceptions, just as there are some guys who will go to the NATS
and enter just to say they did.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I would oppose having it start at "A"
level. If you want to attract entry level Pattern flyers... you won't be
helping by making them buy some "competition stamp" in order to
fly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">My bet is... if you started such a stamp
program, no matter at what level... it would reduce competition participation,
since it would be seen as a backhanded way to raise AMA dues. (which would
really be what it amounted to anyway)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">The more I think about it... the more I know
that adding the stamp requirement would be a bad idea.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mjfrederick@cox.net href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew
Frederick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule
8.1.1</DIV>
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<DIV>The point of the stamp was not for just those who want to go to the
Nats, but if they wanted to compete in ANY(not just
Pattern) AMA-sanctioned competitive event. That way the entire
competition community helps pay for it, not just those who go to the Nats
(otherwise you could just raise the cost of Nats entry). I was looking for a
solution that did not cause an increase in the Nats entry fee yet still
defrayed the costs of the Nats at a minimal cost to membership and zero cost
to the "sport pilots" who don't want to keep paying for us to have our
"little contests."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:08
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule
8.1.1</DIV>
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<DIV>The stamp sounds like a good idea it could work.charge $20.00 for the
competition stamp. </DIV>
<DIV>Let's see the Nat's is in the red $25,000.00 divide that by 6
weeks = 42 days = $595.24 per day x 4 days = NSRCA share =
$2380.96 divide that by say 120 entrants = $19.84 each oops I forgot they
raised the entry fee $10.00 this year, It could be that we only need to
charge $10.00 for the stamp </DIV>
<DIV>I don't know what the total daily cost is but if we pay then other
groups should also share the cost on an equal basis. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is plenty open time at the Nat's site now to
schedule other events most of those mentioned are never held
during the Nat's because many of those flying in them are at the
Nat's</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy</DIV>
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