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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Fred Huber<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 30, 2007 10:16
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rule 8.1.1/Prefer No Qualification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>It may seem backwards... but the harder someone has to work to be
ALLOWED to compete, the hmore people will want to prove they are good enough to
compete.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>NASCAR is a good example... its essentially impossible for "Joe
Average" to get a chance to drive in the Indy 500. But you'll find
thousands of dirt tracks with people trying to prove they could outdrive the
guys who do get there...</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
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10.0pt'>Make something exclusive and people will work to be included.</span></font><font
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com" title="rickwallace45@hotmail.com">Rick
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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2007 12:46 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1/Prefer No Qualification<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Agree with Ron, Mike Hester
and others. What's broken here? What's the problem we're trying to fix? <br>
For the record, Nats attendance from 1995-2006 has been dropping in all classes
except Masters - trend line shows: (based on Nats attendance information from
Don Ramsey's website)<br>
Sportsman/ Intermediate trends DOWN from 21 to about 16<br>
Advanced trends DOWN from 22 to about 19<br>
Masters trends UP from abot 36 to about 41<br>
FAI trends DOWN from about 39 to about 25 <br>
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So why are we discussing qualifiers? If anything we should be discussing how to
prevent the demise of Pattern? <br>
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My $.02<br>
Rick <br>
NSRCA 2972<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: ronlock@comcast.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:13:06 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1/Prefer No Qualification<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Whatever we are "fixing" with a NATS
qualification system, doesn't seem worth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>the number of things that get broken by the
qualification process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Tony</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>I think any kind of qualifications for the NATS is a
bad idea, for several reasons. </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>1. For 99.9% of us this is a hobby. We can call it a
sport, but its a hobby. Why? Because 99.9% of us work a real job, and very very
few make any money from participation in this hobby. </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>2. Elevate the stature of the NATS? To who? The
Canadians? The Mexicans? The Anti AMA organization who does not have a NATS? We
have a "Worlds" and it requires qualification, so in essence this is
already what you are asking for. Right now anyone who goes to the NATS has a
higher (false) stature at the local level anyway.</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face="s!"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"s\!"'>3. Because it is a hobby, with contests run by hobbyist, and most AMA
people are volunteers, I cannot imagine how in the world the AMA or NSRCA could
ever organize and execute and fair qualification system. I derive this
opinion based on the "many" (sarcasm) people within both the AMA and
NSRCA that line up at nomination time to serve as an officer. Local AMA
clubs, AMA regional reps, and especially the NSRCA has a hard time finding
anyone to do day to day work. If you volunteer to be nominated, you can almost
be assured that you can be President.... Heck the NSRCA is so loaded with politics
that officers quit in the middle of terms, and people execute personal
agendas both in the rules formation and even personal aspects at the NATS. AMA
and NSRCA should only promote to increase participation.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>4. There are some who may only attend the NATS and do
well and even win. Why would we want to make them a! ttend l ocal stuff to
qualify when they do not need it. This applies mostly the top FAI guys. They do
not need the local level to excel, and they can step in at the NATS and kick
eveyone's butt. Why inconvienience them from their job, family or whatever? If
they can show up at the NATS and win is that not still getting the best?</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>5. Last-I used to be much more involved with pattern
than I am now. My kids are of the age that it is more important to spend time
doing their activities than mine, as they will be gone before I realize it. I
cannot make 6-7 contests (in 6 months) like I used to, and making the NATS is
tough too, but if I did decide that I could make the NATS, the last thing I
would want to worry about is having to make 3 contests in a row to
"qualify" for the NATS. Actually this point is the same as #1-its a
HOBBY. Those whom want different move up to FAI and "qualify"
for the Worlds.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face="sans!"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"sans\!"'>A suggestion.....</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Start with the FAI USA team. Why does that selection
contest allow whomever wants to show up fly at that contest? Implement a
qualification sytem for the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
team selection contest first. The Semi-Pros (not so sure we have 100%
"pros" anywhere) in these ranks should love it, because then those
top 6 (who are we kidding... it may only be 5 who truly have a chance)
nationwide flyers going for those 3 spots do not have to sit thru 3 days of
wannabe FAI schmoes.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>I cannot imagine that a qualification system would do
anything but hurt NATS attendence. I do not understand the point of it at all.
The NAT is not overloaded. I agree that it is not bad to discuss
anything, but if you really think this is a #1 priority topic (I have not seen
any others tossed out there), then I think it shows your personal disconnect
with the AMA pattern community,402,403,404. </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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< FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Signed, <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Peace, Love and Smarter Missiles.........</span></font><font
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'><br>
<br>
Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apetures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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