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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think it effects the demise of pattern at
all. maybe it would have some effect, who knows.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess I just like the Nats the way they are now.
I think qualifying in some form might be a good idea in theory, but in practice,
I'm not sure we have the numbers yet to support a move like that. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>just my opinion, I could be wrong....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony
Stillman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 30, 2007 2:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule
8.1.1/Prefer No Qualification</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I guess I don’t
understand. How does the NATS effect the demise of pattern? The
NATS is a national championships. If we have 400 or 20, how does that
lead to the increase or demise? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All I am discussion
is the WAY that we run the NATS. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">JUST FOR THE
RECORD… This is NOT on the table as a projected change for the NATS for
any time in the future. This is just a discussion topic on how the Nats
COULD be changed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Radio South<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rick Wallace<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, April 30, 2007 12:47
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1/Prefer No
Qualification</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Agree with Ron, Mike Hester
and others. What's broken here? What's the problem we're trying to fix?
<BR>For the record, Nats attendance from 1995-2006 has been dropping in all
classes except Masters - trend line shows: (based on Nats attendance
information from Don Ramsey's website)<BR>Sportsman/ Intermediate trends
DOWN from 21 to about 16<BR>Advanced trends DOWN from 22 to about
19<BR>Masters trends UP from abot 36 to about 41<BR>FAI trends DOWN from about
39 to about 25 <BR> <BR>So why are we discussing qualifiers? If anything
we should be discussing how to prevent the demise of Pattern? <BR> <BR>My
$.02<BR>Rick <BR>NSRCA 2972<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From: ronlock@comcast.net<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:13:06
+0000<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1/Prefer No
Qualification<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Whatever we are "fixing" with a
NATS qualification system, doesn't seem
worth<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">the number of things that get
broken by the qualification process.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Ron
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-------------- Original message
-------------- <BR>From: Gray E Fowler <gfowler@raytheon.com>
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Tony</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I think any kind of
qualifications for the NATS is a bad idea, for several reasons.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">1. For 99.9% of us this is
a hobby. We can call it a sport, but its a hobby. Why? Because 99.9% of us
work a real job, and very very few make any money from participation in this
hobby. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">2. Elevate the stature of
the NATS? To who? The Canadians? The Mexicans? The Anti AMA organization who
does not have a NATS? We have a "Worlds" and it requires
qualification, so in essence this is already what you are asking for. Right
now anyone who goes to the NATS has a higher (false) stature at the local
level anyway.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=s! size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 's!'">3. Because
it is a hobby, with contests run by hobbyist, and most AMA people are
volunteers, I cannot imagine how in the world the AMA or NSRCA could ever
organize and execute and fair qualification system. I derive this
opinion based on the "many" (sarcasm) people within both the AMA and NSRCA
that line up at nomination time to serve as an officer. Local AMA
clubs, AMA regional reps, and especially the NSRCA has a hard time finding
anyone to do day to day work. If you volunteer to be nominated, you can
almost be assured that you can be President.... Heck the NSRCA is so loaded
with politics that officers quit in the middle of terms, and
people execute personal agendas both in the rules formation and even
personal aspects at the NATS. AMA and NSRCA should only promote to increase
participation.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">4. There are some who may
only attend the NATS and do well and even win. Why would we want to make
them a! ttend l ocal stuff to qualify when they do not need it. This applies
mostly the top FAI guys. They do not need the local level to excel, and they
can step in at the NATS and kick eveyone's butt. Why inconvienience them
from their job, family or whatever? If they can show up at the NATS
and win is that not still getting the best?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">5. Last-I used to be much
more involved with pattern than I am now. My kids are of the age that it is
more important to spend time doing their activities than mine, as they will
be gone before I realize it. I cannot make 6-7 contests (in 6 months) like I
used to, and making the NATS is tough too, but if I did decide that I could
make the NATS, the last thing I would want to worry about is having to make
3 contests in a row to "qualify" for the NATS. Actually this point is the
same as #1-its a HOBBY. Those whom want different move up to FAI and
"qualify" for the Worlds.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans! size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'sans!'">A
suggestion.....</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Start with the FAI USA
team. Why does that selection contest allow whomever wants to show up fly at
that contest? Implement a qualification sytem for the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> team
selection contest first. The Semi-Pros (not so sure we have 100% "pros"
anywhere) in these ranks should love it, because then those top 6 (who are
we kidding... it may only be 5 who truly have a chance) nationwide flyers
going for those 3 spots do not have to sit thru 3 days of wannabe FAI
schmoes.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I cannot imagine that a
qualification system would do anything but hurt NATS attendence. I do not
understand the point of it at all. The NAT is not overloaded. I agree
that it is not bad to discuss anything, but if you really think this is a #1
priority topic (I have not seen any others tossed out there), then I think
it shows your personal disconnect with the AMA pattern
community,402,403,404. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR>< FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Signed, <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Peace, Love and Smarter
Missiles.........</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty
Apetures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
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