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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hobbico puts out a 12 volt version of the Voltwatch intended
for use with sealed lead acid field box batteries.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The RC Gadgets website has info on the circuit used for the
voltmeter and how to make one for any desired voltage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/gadgets.htm">http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/gadgets.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lightfoot@sc.rr.com href="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">Jay
Marshall</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
E-power</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m sure most of us
are familiar with the VoltWatch battery monitor. It uses a simple LM3914
integrated circuit from National Semiconductor. A nice visual indicator just
before takeoff. Seems to me that it could be easily modified, or even
re-designed, for the higher voltage packs the E-power guys are using. Any of
you EEs want to make a few bucks?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Keith Black<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:29
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] E-power</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've
used a method similar to the colored bands. The problem is, as Rex mentioned,
sometimes you forget to remove the green indicator when you use the
battery. To solve that problem why not use some type of plug cover that must
be removed in order to use the battery. This will prevent accidentally leaving
the green indicator on a pack. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1.
Never use a battery that doesn't have a plug cover unless you first testing
the voltage.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2. Put
plug covers on as you remove the battery from the charger.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3. If
you forget to put the plug cover on after charging, ALWAYS check voltage
before putting it on or using it. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=trexlesh@msn.com href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com">Rex LESHER</A>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday, April
17, 2007 11:02 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] E-power</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Been
there, done that... Most of us have, and won't admit it..
lol</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
finally got two colors of bands to place around the packs... Green and
Red. When I get done charging, I place a Green</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">band
on the battery. After I fly, I place a Red band around the
pack... I was thinking about how clever I was... Right
up</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">until
I flew a pack the other day that didn't seem to have much power. It
had a Green band on it!!! Green means go,
right?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some
dumby got lazy and didn't follow procedure.... New
Rule!!! "ALWAYS CHECK VOLTAGE BEFORE FLIGHT, NO MATTER
WHAT."</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
still use the color bands, but now the voltage gets checked anyway!
With multiple packs, it's easy to get confused which pack
is</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">which.
Especially when you are preheating the packs in cold weather! I got
out of the habit of checking the pack voltage because I'm
using</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">the
TP1010 charger, which displays voltage... Bad habit, if you're
not taking it off the charger and putting it in the
plane.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just
for you Don, MINE DEFINITELY TOOK MORE THAN 5200+. All I will say is
that the 5300's have more than 5300!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm
just wondering which pack you did that to?
lmao</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday, April
17, 2007 8:40 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] E-power</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT id=role_document
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One thing I have
begun doing is checking pack voltage before I fly, verifying full charge
condition. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having multiple
battery sets, I may have gotten confused once (I will deny it in
public tho) and took off with a partially discharged pack, couldn't figure
out why I lost power and had to land about half way thru a
flight....... Whoops.... If I had actually done that, I
guesstimate I would have put back about 5200+ mah into a TP5300, not that
I would have actually done that ever <IMG height=19
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good news is,
the pack seems fine, has over 70 cycles on it now and still going strong
(when I charge it)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In
a message dated 4/17/2007 8:31:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
robcase1@cox.net writes:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for all
the inputs. The second pac only took 2500 Mah, so may'be the
<BR>batteries just need more time to be formed. I will continue to
make short <BR>4 - 5 minute flight for the next 6 flights to hopefully
form the cells <BR>better. I feel better about it tonight after
putting back 2300 and 2500 <BR>respectively, back into each pack
:)<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Steven Maxwell"
<patternrules@earthlink.net><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Tuesday, April 17,
2007 9:11 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E-power<BR><BR><BR>>
Do 5 or 6 short flights to form the new batteries. Don't get me
wrong<BR>> here but for just starting out your pushing the limits but
your last post<BR>> looks fine 3000's should be good. By pushing I
mean for an E newbie, not<BR>> like I have this figured out, my wrost
enemy is flying to far out I got <BR>> out<BR>> to 225 or more
with a wind to my back and put back in 2579 MAh<BR>> One of the big
things I found with the 5330/F3A is it's real easy to use<BR>> more
amps than you need, what I found was after a point there is no
more<BR>> power just higher amps not sure why other than maybe the
AXI is like a<BR>> torque curve, for lack of a better term, maybe the
AXI peaks at say 68 <BR>> amps<BR>> maybe less maybe more, but the
thing is if your running more than that,<BR>> whatever that number is
you just pushing more amps.<BR>><BR>> Steven
Maxwell<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>> [Original
Message]<BR>>> From: Robert & Casey Green
<robcase1@cox.net><BR>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Date: 4/17/2007
10:27:49 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
E-power<BR>>><BR>>> How many flights, should you put a new
pack through to break them in? I<BR>>> charged the first
pack that I flew tonight and put back 2300 Mah, the<BR>>
second<BR>>> pack looks like it will take 3000 to be replenished,
which is about the<BR>> 80%<BR>>> of the pack. After
putting that much back in the pack earlier I am going<BR>>
to<BR>>> have to throw these packs away as no good, or do I keep
flying them and<BR>> see<BR>>> what happens?<BR>>> Thanks
for your responses so far. I think that I may have enough
room<BR>> 10S<BR>>> 5000 extreme. I am about three ounces
over, sure I can find a way to<BR>> make<BR>>> it work for the
NATS.<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Duane
Beck" <duane.e.beck@comcast.net><BR>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing
List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Sent:
Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:06 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] E-power<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >
Robert & Casey Green wrote:<BR>>> >> Don I was pulling
72 Amps, on a 20x13 prop.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Is that peak
static, or unloaded in the air? I assume those are 20C<BR>>>
> packs.<BR>>> >
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http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>>>
><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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