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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Guys, this discussion as carried forth on
the Flying giants website under two different threads seen here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg200/14364-rfa-judging-45-lines.html">http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg200/14364-rfa-judging-45-lines.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg191/14581-clearest-presentation-proper-gemotery-judge.html">http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg191/14581-clearest-presentation-proper-gemotery-judge.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This discussion was a carry over from the South
East IMAC judging seminar which I attended in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Augusta</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">GA</st1:State></st1:place> this
March. The reason this discussion was not squashed as heresy immediately
was that two influential folks were “supporting” a “judge-centered-paradigm”
versus a “true-geometry” paradigm. The language of a guide
type of statement regarding “clearest geometry” and the language of
the newly passed “airspace control score” were being construed
beyond their individual scope and argued for “overriding” other
model aerobatic fundamentals like: 1.) Maneuvers must be wind-corrected
and flown in a single vertical plane, 2.) Maneuvers like top-hats or rolling
circles must be flown with the horizontal portion in a single horizontal plane.
That is as vanilla as I can describe the 3 + hrs of single debate on this issue
(obviously I was on the true-geometry side of the debate). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What needs to be understood is that “pattern”
has decided to “control” the airspace on
every-single-maneuver. The maneuvers are supposed to be flown on a line parallel
to the flight line 150-175 meters in front of the pilot, and not extend past the
60 degree box lines. If maneuvers are flown out of this box or “controlled”
airspace, there are downgrades that should be applied (we all know what they
are). Thus, although the pattern sequence is subject to some amount of
parallax effect, end box maneuvers can still be judged quite easily
enough. Parallax is a fact and we have learned to deal with it. It
is taught in the judging seminars, described in the AMA video, and the ‘experienced’
pilots also train the new pilots about it and how to fly/judge it. Another
fact of Pattern is that we are “top-heavy” with a much higher
number of pattern pilots in the Masters and FAI classes, versus Sportsman or
Intermediate – IE, folks know the rules.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now, compare and contrast this with
IMAC: IMAC has elected “not” to control the airspace.
The only rule seemingly applied is the “dead-line” – a line
which is typically just on the far side of the runway. Pilots have “free-reign”
to fly where ever they want. There is no center line any more.
There is sort-of-left, and sort-of-right maneuvers. Thus, the majority of
IMAC pilots I’ve seen fly just on the far side of the dead-line and
nearly over the runway. How the hell is any end-box-maneuver going to
look good from the pilot or judge perspective if the pilot positions the plane
just on the far side of the runway and does a turnaround 400 meters away?
Thus, the degree to which parallax plays a part in the IMAC contest is HUGELY
different than a pattern contest, because pattern “describes” the
airspace where as IMAC does not. Add to this that IMAC is bottom-heavy,
with most of the contestants hovering in the Basic, Sportsman, and Intermediate
classes. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In an attempt to reduce the “footprint”
of the IMAC sequences, the previously used 80 degree (I think) box lines and
center line were done-away with. Many people will now say that this was a
huge mistake. Replacing “objective” criteria like the box
lines may be giving way to new paradigms like, “… well, maybe the
pilot doesn’t have to keep his wings level on end-box-maneuvers…. Maybe
the pilot doesn’t need to fly true-geometry… etc., … I
thought is looked OK” . This simply equates to dumbing-down the
judging criteria in allow the lowest-common-denominator type of judge to be
effective – essentially allowing for individual standards based on every
judge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Pattern has a VERY good thing going with
the ‘standardization’ of scoring and airspace control used
throughout the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
and World. From a teaching/coaching/mentoring perspective it is clearly
better to at least “begin” with a truth-source like “true-geometry”
– versus some “infinitely” changing way to fly a maneuver
based on its location in the box. I truly believe IMAC would be best
served to re-institute box lines and this time around, “enforce”
box violations. Given the changes in the community regarding sound (now most
everyone who competes uses canisters and many 3-bladed props to reduce noise),
and the recognition that some fields have been lost due to overfly and such,
that the community would enforce the box limitations this time around. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is to my opinion clearly the responsibility
of the judge to become educated and the responsibility of the experienced
pilots to teach/coach/mentor new folks. Moving towards a “judge-centered-paradigm”
would be a giant step backwards towards impression judging.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My 0.02 cents,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim W.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Black<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:31
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
APPARENT GEOMETRY (PARALLAXED VIEW)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Fred, are you suggesting that a 45 degree angle at the end
of the box would appear the same if the plane is five feet in front of the
flight line or 500 feet in front of the flight line? I don't buy it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Keith</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net" title="fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred Huber</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, April 09,
2007 11:41 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] APPARENT GEOMETRY (PARALLAXED VIEW)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Distance in/out has no effect on parallax. Its the angle relative
to the viewed line.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>The judges and pilots will have the same parallax to deal with if the
pilot flys a 30 inch model at 85 yards away as they will with a
60 inch model at 170 yards. You might be hard pressed to tell plane
which is which on film... Thats why 1/4 and 1/2 scale models get used for
making movies. The camera can remove perspective clues that indicate
distance and scale.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com" title="tkeithblack@gmail.com">Keith Black</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, April 09,
2007 11:24 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] APPARENT GEOMETRY (PARALLAXED VIEW)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I tend to agree with Ed. Furthermore, what hard facts could
possibly be stated about this in the rule book? Would you want it to say that
when observing end maneuvers the judge should downgrade if the angle doesn't
look steeper than 45 deg.? IMO this is inappropriate for the rule book, though
it's perfectly acceptable to point out in a judges clinic or judging tips
document.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Keep in mind also that the distance in our out will also
change the look of the end 45 deg. angle. This means that this discussion also
would need to be in the rule book. I think the rule book should just state
facts, educating the pilot and judge on how to recognize geometry so they can
enforce the rule book is important but ancillary to the official rule book.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My opinion.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Keith Black</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:divesplat@yahoo.com" title="divesplat@yahoo.com">Ed Deaver</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, April 09,
2007 11:04 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] APPARENT GEOMETRY (PARALLAXED VIEW)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Have been thinking about this discussion (currently going on elsewhere
also) and suddenly had the light bulb go on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>At some clubs as we enter the driveway that leads to the field, 1/2
mile away or maybe a bit more, or the NATs site for example from site 3 (grass
field I think) to site 2, it is very easy to watch the geometry of the plane
being flown. At this distance, there is almost zero vertical parallax due
to the distance from the pilot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sooooo, what do we see at this distance. Loops sure do look round
to me when flown by good pilots, 45's look like 45's or maybe 50's (my
contention is a slight bit steeper always scores better than a slight bit
flatter) and even though the pilot is standing "under" the manuever,
the good pilots still keep the geometry when looked at from a distance,
Correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At the end of the box, standing this distance away it is easier to see
the geometry again, with only a very little parallax and the good pilots, IMO
still keep the geometry very close to what it should be. The 45's may be
a slight bit steeper, but from a distance the 1/2 cuban 8 flown well, will
still have a round radius, with very close to a 45 degree downline (again
depending on what the local teacher states), with the rolling element centered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My point is, too much is being made of this parallax issue and think
judges will reward the pilot that flies the correct geometry, which again IMO,
can be verified by watching a flight from a distance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>rcmaster199@aol.com</span></i></b>
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12.0pt'>A question has been posted from an IMAC gentleman (who is trying
to write better IMAC rules) as to how Pattern people fly and judge skewed
appearance of maneuvers at box ends or in center when tall maneuvers
(Hourglass, Vert Sq 8, Rolling Ess, etc) are involved. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Some of us have searched the book and found no wording written that
describes what the pilots' responsibilities and the judges' responsibilities
are in the performance of the skewed apparent geometry. There is a statement in
the Judges Training tape in regard to end maneuvers.... that these will appear
different even when accurately flown. The oness is essentially on the judges to
know how the True Geometry should appear when flown at an angle to the eye, and
must not downgrade for Apparent or Parallaxed appearance difference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Spoke with Don about this earlier today and we decided to present the
question to the group and get some conversation going. We should be explicit in
the book regarding how such Apparent Geometry should be treated....ie- what is
the pilot's responsibility and what is the judge's. Description improvements
could be written over the next couple rule cycles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>The pilot's responsibility may appear easy.... they simply need to fly
precise geometry per the book. True enough, BUT.....consider what is actually
flown, especially by the top guys, and what scores well. These are not
necessarily as precise as one might think. The better pilots tend to fly
purposely flawed maneuvers that give the impression of precision. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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